Debbie Hayton in the TES

[NeurotrashWarrior]

https://twitter.com/debbiehayton/status/1126712166466244610?s=21

I can't access it as not a subscriber but thanks Debbie for promoting trans gender trend's pack.

Getting this into the TES is very much needed.

I think that’s totally understandable, Tinsel.

Maybe its just me, and I haven't got access to the full piece, but can anyone please tell me exactly what DHayton says should be done about sex segregation and toilets/ changing etc?

I have read this bit quoted by Lang Regarding toilets, changing rooms and residential trips, separate provision – private facilities such as “accessible” toilets, individual changing cubicles and showers, and single rooms – can preserve the rights and dignity of all. While it would be ideal to offer every pupil these options, building design and economies may mean that this remains an aspiration.

but is this as far as DHayton goes? When it comes down to it, I want to know what DHayton recommends be done when, as is too frequent, it is decided that money is to tight for additional separate provision.

Is DHayton recommending that women and girls just give up their rights and dignities and be made to share space with the opposite sex? Or what?

I want a definitive answer to this.

If we have to settle sometimes for a male person/ transwoman being listened to when women are not, and I have to hear them lauded by some on FWR etc, I want to know exactly what their agenda is.

Meant to include a comment about DHayton still using women's spaces as far as I am aware.. and this was not contradicted by DHayton yesterday.

Pink News are all in a flutter about the Natasha Devon resignation.

I can't help it's an own goal resigning from a paper, thus silencing yourself.... But hey!

She's getting owned in her second tweet about it. She can seem to give examples of transphobia from Transgender Trend. Funny that

She also misses out the bit where Debbie is trans. Debbie being trans and a teacher doesn't count it seems. Isn't that transphobia?

I really think this happening is huge.

Puuuuuullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Having seen some of the bullying that Debbie is subjected to from TRAs, a few direct questions from concerned women on Mumsnet pales in significance! Debbie is of course free to answer or ignore, as are we all.

Well done to Debbie for getting this piece published - it’s a significant achievement, and hopefully, a wedge in the door or a foundation on which to build a truly GC feminist argument.

Debbie is transsexual, not female, and while positions sometimes align, they also differ. This is to be expected, and in these days of literal thought policing, differing positions should definitely be tolerated (as long as one position isn’t masquerading as the position of another).

I thought Miranda Yardley had it bad, but I suspect Debbie is currently trans public enemy number one, according to the genderists.

Now, any feminist subscribers up for writing a letter to the editor, thanking them for publishing Debbie’s piece and clarifying a more GC feminist take?

I've bought a copy that I'm just looking through.

The piece is explicitly clear about the issues around toilets for girls in schools; privacy, embarrassment, menstruation. It's also explicitly clear around the issues in sports; school has a duty of care that girls are not harmed by larger bodies boys as well as being "dispirited" (direct quote) due to male physical advantage.

It does this by highlighting the key problematic phrases in a range of published material from a wide range of places such as Allsorts, Unions as well as how Transgender Trend's pack gives balance to the inclusion of trans identifying individuals while absolutely safeguarding the sex based rights of girls.

Debbie has pointed out that trans is an umbrella term (not her words; she's more specific about what this covers) and then that we all have a sex and this is biological, and intersex is different and advocacy groups wish this to be a distinction.

She then describes the sex based policies copied up thread.

I suppose I'm a little confused about the specifics of one sentence that says "when boys and girls need to be treated differently, eg pe" to follow school policies. I'm guessing this is sex based as pe policy referring to changing etc is sex based in schools. I feel that could be more explicit, however I know that's the law and school leaders should too plus given the context of the rest of the piece.

The lawyer has advised several schools on transgender policy enquires; contact details are given.

It's clear that Transgender Trend's pack is explained as being a good approach.

I hope I'm allowed to write what I've written above; there much more detail that I do think many of us would find interesting, especially the dates when a definite change in guidance appears to have started. I do urge you to try to get a copy.

The last time I bought one it was still made of newspaper! It's now a shiny magazine, in case anyone else isn't sure what they're looking for.

V pleased to see the piece on martial arts too; I think it's ridiculous they're not part of the curriculum.

Short answer; there's a lot on toilets.

So yes, thank you Debbie!

I can't understand why Devon is in a huff though. I think the piece is very sensitive to trans questioning children too.

Highlights duty of care to all pupils.

Now, any feminist subscribers up for writing a letter to the editor, thanking them for publishing Debbie’s piece and clarifying a more GC feminist take?

Yep I will. Will also take this with me to my safeguarding training update soon.

Kat

Wtf is this tweet?! Isn't that transphobic?!

Oh My God! I missed that....

Wow.

GC person would be kicked off twitter for that!

I actually couldn't believe that one, had to read it several times and put it through the cognitive dissonance filter.

This is the kind of thing I was referring to, I mean - I don’t think referring to a transwomen as male is transphobic, but transactivists claim it is.

Dismissing Debbie’s opinion without noting that Debbie is transsexual and a qualified teacher is definitely disingenuous however you look at it, and the way it is phrased smacks of bullying.

At least when Mumsnetters have questions (even uncomfortably forthright ones!) we address them directly to Debbie.

Excellent, re: writing in Neurotrash

Thank you Neurotrash for the additional details. I'm still hoping to find out more.

I can't easily get hold of a copy of TES and its not really in my budget (no, I don't buy a coffee every day or even once a week!) so in the meantime, I hope that Debbie might come back to the thread and give some more details.

I agree completely with having and allowing for differences of opinion, I'm wanting to work out truly where the similarities/differences are. I don't use Twitter/Facebook so FWR is it for me.

This is the lawyer referenced in the article, popping here in case relevant.

www.vwv.co.uk/lawyers/yvonne-spencer

Debbie appears to always do what's best for Debbie... If something proves to be helpful to anyone else that's a happy coincidence.

I'd suggest buying a copy of the article. I'll be writing in to thank them for highlighting the important sex based safeguarding issues. I hope others do too.

Those who have issues with TT can never seem to point out even one example of this horrid transphobia, even though apparently its ALL transphobic so one quote should be easy?

Would love to know where they suggest 'conversion therapy'.

I cannot fathom how a trans person is actually being transphobic.

I notice Hayton is getting digs from TRAs on twitter. Sorry Debbie.

Personally I feel this is a remarkably important piece in the TES, plus forced Devon to flounce which is excellent as she's been touting ridiculous ideology stuff there for some time.

It amazes me time and time again the speed at which TT type advice changed from the "sensible view" to "evil"

STOP just STOP

I don't think TES would have posted without Debbie. Everybody is terrified of allegations of transphobia.

I guess for me my huge interest and worry in this matter stems principally from the fear children are being treated incorrectly. The news from the Tavistock of pressure from the TRAs backs that up.

This is part of the fightback. We can build on it with head teachers.

And where the hell is that enquiry Penny Mordent

TRAs warning others on Twitter not to click on TransgenderTrend's website (in case educators and parents find out the truth?) so that it doesn't rise through the Google rankings.

Cue brilliant thread from GCs accidentally clicking TT.

Do not, under any circumstances, visit TT via Google. Repeat, do not visit....

twitter.com/ChiefBrody19/status/1127250558090469377?s=20

TT are top result.

Then pink news on flounce.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/05/11/education-magazine-tes-loses-star-columnist-transphobia-row/

Star columnist !!!!! Hahahahahahaha.........