Maya Forstater

[DianeBrewster]

MN have deleted the thread started by Maya - who lost her job for speaking up for women- because it talks about her crowdfunding for legal costs

Here is today's times article on the case https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tax-expert-fired-for-saying-trans-women-aren-t-women-tpqgnm9vj?shareToken=3f12f5cae61c02fd41040eb816fd37b4&wgu=2705255426441557045162977940f0d76fa1&wgexpiry=1564821162&utmmsource=planit&utmmedium=affiliate&utmm_content=22278

Isn't Spring a lovely time of year?

I just love watching things growing!

Huh, just googled JP, another ex-forces mtf...

I'm not suggesting any wrongdoing, but it's evident that the Pritzker family (and their philanthropic billionaire friends) are not people you would want to piss off if you were an organisation reliant on grants and donations.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3328210-Follow-the-money-who-is-funding-the-US-transborg

James Kirkup has written a piece on Maya for the Spectator

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/women-are-being-silenced-from-speaking-about-transgender-rights/

The courage this takes is immense.

Not least because as I understand it if you lose you can be found liable for the other party’s costs. So anyone who takes this route needs to know they do have lots of support behind them.

Well done in the investigative research!

I feel this is all so unfair. There are a few people on Maya’s Twitter who do make what I see as insulting transphobic comments. The people who beat up Transpeople, call them names in the street, make offensive jokes, these are the real transphobes and every feminist woman I know would stand alongside Trans folk and fight that kind of prejudice.

And yet women who wish to reserve the right to be defined by their sex and to not have that definition obliterated, whilst supporting the right of anyone at all to extend or break down gender stereotypes, are vilified and attacked.

Wrong war, wrong enemy.

James Kirkup (Spectator) makes some important wider points in the conclusion of the article above:
(extract)
"I should say here that I’ve met Forstater once and discussed her case in broad terms. I don’t claim to know everything about it and I note that CGD has said it cannot discuss staffing matters, but says that all staff ‘are expected to uphold our respectful workplace policy’. So I am not, to be clear for the benefit of the legally-minded, stating as fact that her claims against her former employer are justified.

Reaching such a conclusion is the job of an employment tribunal, and I very much hope Maya Forstater assembles the funds required to put this case to law. Because it really is about a lot more than her and her circumstances, important as they are. It’s about how free people are to express views and state facts which may well be offensive to some people, but which do not remotely justify the loss of livelihood and status. It’s about our ability to disagree with a person without seeking their personal ruin. It’s about accommodating reasonable differences of perspective in private and public debate instead of scouring all contrary views from the public square.

Even if you don’t give a fig about Maya Forstater and the trans issue, I hope you’ll bung her a few quid to ensure her case is properly heard and explored. Because this time, it’s women scared of losing jobs for saying things – respectfully and lawfully – that a few committed and organised men don’t like. But if someone like Maya Forstater can lose her living for saying that someone born male cannot become female, who knows who the targets will be next time?"

Charming as ever.

Does anyone remember the thread where we were discussing the high level Tory MP that wanted to push self ID through at any cost (as alluded to in a Kirkup article)?

We did some digging and discovered that one had recently met with a Pritzker in the US - I think it was Liam Fox (but can't remember for sure unless I find the thread).

Statement from Labour Students' National Women's Officer on the case:

"Good. Go fuck yourself".

twitter.com/MForstater?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Interesting to see where Labour positions itself on workers' rights.

That they shouldn't have any.

Labour seems to have evolved into the very opposite of what they used to stand for (mirroring Stonewall's current position that homosexuality is transphobic and wrong).

Which rather begs the question - what is the actual point of the Labour Party?

Cross-posted with dilly.

Yeah I just saw the NUS women’s officer on twitter tell maya a woman to go fuck herself

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️😔

You couldn’t make this stuff up tbh

Is LM Labour Student's National Woman's officer? Doesn't seem to be on this list.
labourstudents.org.uk/your-national-committee/

Madigan has become irrelevant, which is why they are now up in the ante.

It's just a big effort to appear significant.

upping

Very unladylike Lily Madigan

See, if I ran a political party, any political party, I would not tolerate people in their role representing that party telling anyone to “go fuck your self”. Debating, putting a different POV, yes.

And that is the point.

Should Lily Madigan be sacked for telling people to ‘Go fuck yourself’?

But I take Datun’s point that Lily is irrelevant.

Does anyone remember the thread where we were discussing the high level Tory MP that wanted to push self ID through at any cost (as alluded to in a Kirkup article)?

There was discussion about high level Tory MPs using their power to try to enable transgenderism & silence those raising questions and concerns:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396459-David-Davies-MP-speaks-out-about-harrassment-calls-for-stop-to-GRA-reform-urgent-review-involving-womens-groups

Should Lily Madigan be sacked for telling people to ‘Go fuck yourself’?

Well of 2 people posted that we know the one who is minus appendage would be fired.

What is it that gives people the confidence to post this stuff I wonder.

'Madigan has become irrelevant, which is why they are now up in the ante. '

But the Labour Party is still perfectly happy to have Madigan speaking for them.
Even though they are speaking against workers' rights, which used to be what the party stood for.
Labour is a mess. Oh, and kinder, gentler politics? How hollow was that?

There doesn't even have to be any direct connection between the philanthropists and the organisations, does there?

If views expressed might somehow be perceived as 'wrongthink' by those with the funds, then any organisation is probably worried about ending up on an informal black list. So you can start to see why 'wrongthink' is deemed a problem by think tanks, academia and medical facilities, all big beneficiaries of philanthropic funding.

And being GC isundoubtedly 'wrongthink' in the Pritzker and Soros worlds

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/11/george-soros-the-money-behind-the-transgender-move/

Thanks R0 yes that was the thread I was thinking of.

So Labour - what used to be the workers party and done so much for workers rights don't care about unfair dismissal as long as they are being woke. That will be why #labourlosingwomen and no doubt a fair few men now more light is being shined on the madness.

Another great article by JK and even mentions the thing we must not mention!

Maya Forstarter's article is really worth reading as has the background & context. Also so important to hear her words:

(extract)
"This will be an important test case in the UK on whether having ‘gender critical’ beliefs is protected under the Equality Act 2010 (in the same way as other religious or philosophical beliefs). I will be represented by solicitors Slater and Gordon and employment barrister Anya Palmer of Old Square Chambers.

If we can establish this point in law it would help people who are currently afraid to speak up for fear of losing their jobs or being treated differently by their employer. It would also help people facing discrimination outside of work. For example political parties and membership organisations that suspend people for expressing such beliefs, venues that refuse to host public meetings and social media platforms that discriminate against gender critical feminists would need to re-think their policies or they too would face claims for discrimination." (continues)

medium.com/@MForstater/i-lost-my-job-for-speaking-up-about-womens-rights-2af2186ae84

So Labour - what used to be the workers party and done so much for workers rights don't care about unfair dismissal as long as they are being woke.

Correct. Labour is now a liberal - not a left or socialist - party, despite its putatively socialist leadership because its activist base has been infiltrated by queer theorists. And it wonders why its traditional voters aren't that keen. Sad.