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Oxford 'Students Condemn ‘Transphobic’ St Hilda’s Professor' allegations against Professor Selina Todd, WPUK. Julie Bindel, "McCarthy is alive and well and living in a posh university:"

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R0wantrees · 01/05/2019 08:09

article in The Oxford Student:
'Students Condemn ‘Transphobic’ St Hilda’s Professor

29th April 2019 by Grace Davis
(extract)
"Professor Selina Todd, a professor of Modern History and tutor at St Hilda’s College, has been accused of being ‘transphobic’ by St Hilda’s students, after she was found to be retweeting transphobic groups on Twitter.

Amongst these include the parody twitter account ‘British Gay Eugenics’. She retweeted a tweet from this group which joked: “Please join our MASSIVE thanks to @stonewalluk, @ruth_hunt, Gendered Intelligence, & Mermaids UK for helping #transawaythegay.

“Parents, there is an alternative to having an embarrassing gay son or lesbian daughter! All it takes is timely intervention!” (continues)

As well as this, Professor Todd has retweeted several tweets from the group Women’s Place UK, and Fairplay for Women, which have previously been condemned by Oxford SU LGBTQ+ Campaign for being “transphobic” and “threatening trans people’s rights and safety”.

She is set to speak at the third London meeting of Women’s Place UK on 20th May this year, alongside Meghan Murphy, Julie Bindel, Nina Malik, and Ruth Serwotka.

On her website, Professor Todd describes herself as a “a gender critical feminist, [who faces] intimidation via social media about expressing my views, sharing the evidence that informs those views, and calling for a debate.”

She then goes on to claim: “Like every other gender critical feminist I know, I encountered the current debate about whether transgender people should be able to self-identify as such (without fulfilling other legal and medical requirements) from the instinctive standpoint that I wanted to support transpeople’s rights. But after months of research, I concluded that this position would harm the rights of women, because so often what is being asked for is free access to women-only spaces.

“I then began to question the whole premise that someone can ‘transition’ from being a man to a woman or vice versa.”

She adds: “You can’t change sex – biologically, that is impossible. And the notion that people can ‘feel’ like a woman or like a man seems socially conservative, implying as it does that being a woman rests on dressing or behaving in a ‘feminine’ way. Being a woman rests both on certain biological facts and on the experience of living in the world as a woman, from birth, an experience that is shaped by particular kinds of oppressions.

“A movement that claims to be advocating a liberating kind of ‘fluidity’ is in fact reinforcing and promoting highly conservative gendered stereotypes.” (continues)
www.oxfordstudent.com/2019/04/29/oxford-professor-found-tweeting-transphobic-tweets/

I heard Selina Todd speak a few years ago about her recent book, 'The People: the Rise and Fall of the Working Class 1910–2010'. She's brilliant & an inspiring speaker

Background Wiki
"Selina Todd was born in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1975 and, after schooling at a state comprehensive, she completed her undergraduate degree in history at Warwick University. After working in Canada and Cuba, she took a master of arts degree and then a doctor of philosophy degree in history at the University of Sussex.

Career
After holding a Scouloudi Fellowship and Economic and Social Research Council Post-doctoral Fellowship at the Institute of Historical Research, Todd was elected to the Ottilie Hancock Research Fellowship in History at Girton College, Cambridge, in 2004. The following year, she was appointed a lecturer at Warwick University, and in 2007 took a lectureship in modern British history at the University of Manchester. In 2010, she was appointed a Fellow at St Hilda's College, Oxford, and a lecturer in history at the University of Oxford In 2015, she was awarded the title of Professor of Modern History by the university. She is a fellow of the Royal Historical Society and, as of 2016, is vice-principal of St Hilda's.

Todd's research focuses on the history of the working-class, gender and feminism in modern Britain.

In July 2017, it was announced that Todd had accepted nomination as the President of the Socialist Educational Association."

Oxford 'Students Condemn ‘Transphobic’ St Hilda’s Professor' allegations against Professor Selina Todd, WPUK. Julie Bindel, "McCarthy is alive and well and living in a posh university:"
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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 01/05/2019 08:26

This shit has huge traction in elite circles. A niece, who was privately educated and is currently at Oxford, is the only member of my family who isn't gender critical.

She's very sporty. One of the sports is rugby. She thinks men who identify as women should be allowed to play on women's teams. DB told her she could be seriously injured playing against males, however they identify.

Fairness normally means a lot to her but trans apparently overrides everything. DB hopes she will eventually learn some common sense, preferably not the hard way.

Fantasisa · 01/05/2019 08:32

The ‘Be Kind’ message is strong with the student generation.

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2019 08:43

Not very kind to women though, are they?

R0wantrees · 01/05/2019 09:08

Oxford seems to be a particular hotspot for student TRA extremism:

Michael Biggs
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3406042-Oxford-Student-newspaper-doxes-Twitter-account-by-possible-criminal-unauthorised-use-of-a-comptuer-system

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3433485-Prof-Michael-Biggs-How-Queer-Theory-Became-University-Policy-re-Oxford-Gendered-Intelligence

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3433245-No-wonder-there-are-so-many-woke-students

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257819-Michael-Biggs-Sociology-Dept-Oxford-Free-speech-at-Oxford-Do-women-have-the-right-to-meet-to-discuss-legislation

Jenni Murray
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3416980-Oxford-students-going-after-Jenni-Murray-again

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2893950-LGBT-activists-try-to-stop-Jenny-Murray-speaking-at-Oxford-University

Also:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3234661-Condemnation-of-the-shameful-campaign-of-bullying-intimidation-against-WPUK-meeting-by-founder-of-TransOxford

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241624-dirty-protest-over-somerville-college-oxford-s-gender-neutral-loos

Here's how some students responded to serious whistle blown Safeguarding & Duty of Care concerns from senior HCPs including Professor Carl Heneghan head of Evidence Based Medicine:

(extract)
"Oxford SU LGBTQ+ Campaign has condemned the statement from the professor, saying: “Transphobic, fear-mongering articles being given priority in national news is unacceptable. Although the article includes information and statements from the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) that refutes its own main line of argument, emphasis is still placed upon unsupported and dangerous viewpoints.

“The prominence of this article within the issue of The Times clearly means to stir up misinformation which will exacerbate the difficulties transgender and gender nonconforming children and teenagers face in the UK.

“The article additionally relies on a statement from Carl Heneghan, who is a senior tutor at Kellogg College. His words attempt to give credibility to a transphobic rhetoric which is harmful to transgender people both within and outside of the University. It is deeply concerning that Dr Heneghan’s attempt to sow confusion about the treatment of trans children by conflating different treatment methods and rejecting information from the GIDS itself is being legitimised by the name of the University in this way." (continues)

www.oxfordstudent.com/2019/04/08/oxford-professor-describes-the-use-of-hormone-blockers-on-transgender-children-as-an-unregulated-live-experiment/

Context re Safeguarding & Duty of Care concerns:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518188-BMJ-Prof-Carl-Heneghan-Evidence-Based-Medicine-Oxford-Panorama-Trans-Kids-Gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-Evidence-review-concludes-There-are-significant-problems

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553935-Times-article-calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/05/2019 09:15

It's no coincidence that it's Oxford. The combination of extreme privilege and open misogyny makes a fertile breeding ground.

Rubidium · 01/05/2019 09:22

Heartening tweet from Selina Todd:

"I'd like to thank all those students @ UniofOxford who have contacted me over the past months to express horror at the attempts on Facebook and now in the student press to smear me. Very brave."

twitter.com/selina_todd/status/1123285732284665858

JessicaWakefieldSV · 01/05/2019 09:28

Oxbridge is really pushed at my DD’s school, it’s all they bloody talk about once you get to senior school. We are not remotely considering it, for a number of reasons. This makes me glad of it.

BeansandRice · 01/05/2019 09:31

This shit has huge traction in elite circles. A niece, who was privately educated and is currently at Oxford, is the only member of my family who isn't gender critical

This is really interesting - I think it's that such people recognise their own privilege, and in an attempt to deny that privilege, or mitigate it away, pick a cause in which they think they can "win" the Top Trumps game of "Who is the most oppressed?"

And that it's élite/successful young women - they no longer see the need for feminism, because - well, they've made it haven't they? So clearly feminism is no longer needed, and they don't need to be feminists.

When I encounter this with my undergrads, I say - well, come back and tell me about your experience after a couple of maternity leaves, and the guy who started with you is now your boss, and you're paid around 75% of what he's getting ...

LangCleg · 01/05/2019 09:33

The Oxford Student can't even spell "principal" or get its punctuation style consistent. Christ. This is the elite youth in the UK, quite aside from trans issues? Embarrassing.

Mind you, what do we expect from the privileged? They've always been more interested in improving the poor than they have in the ways in which top down policies have fucked up the lives of ordinary people.

Anyway. Selina Todd is fab and she wrote a wonderful book about all the ordinary people who told elite power structures - and their fucking idiot brats - where to go over the last century. Everyone should buy it and read it in support! Only £3.99 on Kindle!

www.amazon.co.uk/People-Rise-Working-Class-1910-2010/dp/1848548818?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Annasgirl · 01/05/2019 09:37

@BeansandRice I had this same discussion with some young students a few weeks ago. I'm a mature student who went back and am now completing a Masters in a new field. You would not believe (well you would because you are in it) the level of cognitive dissonance. And total disregard for women - even amongst young women. they totally believe the fight is over and they will sail merrily along, not needing those awful old fashioned feminists. They can be Kim Kardashian type feminists. And I am in psychology.

I also find it terrifying that a University group puts the rights of Transwomen before the rights of Women.

R0wantrees · 01/05/2019 09:53

Anyway. Selina Todd is fab and she wrote a wonderful book about all the ordinary people who told elite power structures - and their fucking idiot brats - where to go over the last century. Everyone should buy it and read it in support! Only £3.99 on Kindle!

Just to second that its a great book & worth reading!

Here's some lectures by Professor Selina Todd:
'keynote address to the Social History Society's 2017 conference at the UCL Institute of Education on 5 April 2017, debunking 'The Myths of Social Mobility'.

'Selina Todd Spks on her book "The People" at Dangerous Times Festival 2014'

February 2018, Social mobility and education: DISCUSSION - BBC Newsnight

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Ereshkigal · 01/05/2019 09:54

Buying the book, thanks Lang for the recommendation.

RepealTheGRA · 01/05/2019 09:56

Selina Todd sounds great, how have I not heard of her before? Blush

R0wantrees · 01/05/2019 10:05

from Selina Todd's website: selinatodd.com/

About:
"I grew up in Newcastle-upon-Tyne where I was educated at a primary school boycotted by middle-class parents and a comprehensive eventually put in ‘special measures’ and forced to become an academy. Inspired by the great education I received at both – and by extracurricular activities including attending all the 1980s CND demos and the Poll Tax protest of 1990 – I have spent the past 20 years combining activism, research, writing, teaching and fun. My day job is Professor of Modern History at Oxford University, and Co-Director (with the amazing feminist historian Senia Paseta) of the Women in Humanities research network. I am also very honoured to be President of the Socialist Educational Association.

My first book, Young Women, Work, and Family in England, 1918-1950 , won the Women’s History Network Book Prize. It is about young working-class women’s lives at a time of enormous social upheaval. My second book, The People: the Rise and Fall of the Working Class, 1910-2010 was published by John Murray in 2014 and quickly became a bestseller. It is now in paperback.

My next book is Tastes of Honey, a biography of the playwright Shelagh Delaney, available from August 2019 – more details here – which reflects on the importance of working-class women to the development of feminism.

Liking the idea of a CV of failures as a riposte to workaholism, perfectionism and competitiveness I tried to post mine here – but it is way too long."

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LangCleg · 01/05/2019 10:08

Sighs happily in anticipation of the Delaney biography.

uglyswan · 01/05/2019 10:25

I've just bought The People: The Rise and Fall of the Working Class, 1910-2010 on LangCleg's recommendation, thank you Lang!

VickyEadie · 01/05/2019 10:36

My brother's 18 year old daughter is about to sit A levels. She's very bright and very hard-working and was considering Oxford (indeed, I took her to the open day last summer).

She's also very gender critical - I've had a chat with her about how she will need to be circumspect about what she says and in front of whom at university, which is astonishing when you think about it. What a time we live in when feminist views might get a young person shunned.

Anyway - she decided against applying to Oxford for various reasons (she's an elite athlete and was not impressed by the sports facilities, ironically), so has selected another Russell group university. NOT Leeds, about which I'm also pleased because of its University of Woke Nonsense status these days.

StopThePlanet · 01/05/2019 19:42

Bought the book, thanks Lang!

It does seem to be the elite that are most woke... and exclusive in truth while feigning inclusion.

My seat is never waiting for me - I take it with my passion and confidence gained from the struggles on my path. My professional circles include primarily elite educated people with their associated connections. Most of the people in these circles do enjoy lecturing me about being inclusive (TWAW) without consideration that we live very different lives. They go to their country clubs to work out, dine in the fanciest restaurants, own yachts/fancy cars/mansions, and attend charity events for people they could never see as their equal.

When DH and I attend events with the aforementioned it is very obvious to us and them that we are not part of that crowd. The mere fact that we have experienced things the elite people can't comprehend beyond their 'philanthropy' leaves us far removed. We don't give a fuck beyond watching them gleefully strip away freedoms/rights that they do not even have to consider for themselves... their insulation protects their ignorance.

These elite students referenced in the article are fighting against everyone actually existing in classes lower than themselves. These elite students are following their golden paths set before them by their predecessors excluding anyone who has less while feigning inclusion. I think their inability to see beyond their own experiences bars them from being able to actually consider the experiences of lower classes. Every day if seems we move toward a more dystopian future.

See the envisioned fiction futures:
The Female Man - Joanna Russ
3% - Pedro Aguilera (Web Series)
1984 - George Orwell
A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess
Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
The Lottery - Shirley Jackson
Harrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

... and so many more

R0wantrees · 01/05/2019 20:17

It does seem to be the elite that are most woke... and exclusive in truth while feigning inclusion.

My seat is never waiting for me - I take it with my passion and confidence gained from the struggles on my path. My professional circles include primarily elite educated people with their associated connections. Most of the people in these circles do enjoy lecturing me about being inclusive (TWAW) without consideration that we live very different lives

This article discusses the role & influence of narcissism across party divides & specifically in 'elite' universities:

'Collective narcissism and identity politics: No empathy required.'
Posted on April 7, 2019 by leftinnewzealand

(extract)
"So lets explore why narcissists are attracted to identity politics and social justice activism in particular. It has been postulated that this arena allows young radicals to indulge their narcissistic urges, enjoying power, support and praise, regardless of their conduct. Their theories and beliefs are absent of any responsibility, the only concern is for their group, as they embark on a journey of hedonistic self-gratification. This insulation from reality rejects any acknowledgement of personal agency and plays out as an overgrown group of kids who have created the rules to feed their self-obsessed, infantile fantasy land. In a cult like fervour they are bound together as a collective, propelled by teenage infused hatred, aimed at all who refuse to agree with their every utterance.

All opposing narratives aimed at SJW’s are met with, anger, dismissal, derision and a desire to dismantle the perpetrators lives. Western colleges are littered with tales of destroyed reputations and careers, any hint of non-conformity is swiftly punished through a series of reprisals. The use of an opaque, malleable language, ensures that any individual caught in this web of lies is unable to escape these allegations of racism, sexism and the deadly accusation of being transphobic. Cultural appropriation, privilege theory, critical theory, intersectional feminism, micro-aggressions and the use of safe-spaces are all tools used to obfuscate the purpose of identity politics from the masses, while simultaneously justifying their beliefs. These incidentally are classic techniques used by narcissists, the end result is rather like 1984, you are left questioning your own name or indeed how many fingers are held up.

Control can certainly be found in the lexicon of the narcissist and the one region these constraints are held tightest is regarding the questioning of identity. Identity is used as a way of gaining respect. I regard myself as this, we are oppressed, therefore, you have no right to question or even discuss this with me. This purposeful stifling of dialogue is evident no more than in the arena of the trans debate. Many trans people state they have a right to be recognised for who they are (which they have), but proclaim obstacles are being put in their way and this is interpreted as questioning their right to exist. The phrase is often proclaimed as “you are invalidating my existence”. But this flamboyant fallacy alludes to a whole segment of society being wiped out. Alas genocide it is not, the real purpose of these grandiose declarations is to halt any debate, emphatically announcing that trans lives are clearly not up for discussion." (continues)

Intergroup aggression is a hallmark of group narcissism. They are more sensitive to perceived criticism externally, often resulting in the out group being attacked with disproportionate force. Again, these are overblown responses, but they are a reaction to a narcissistic injury. Below is a good example of what epitomises group narcissism. We have a charismatic leader, with her followers, who feels suitably emboldened to yell at a Yale Professor, over an extremely minor event. This collective tantrum was ‘initiated’ by Mr & Mrs Christakis (both professors) for suggesting that if students had a problem with a Halloween costume, then maybe they could discuss it with the wearer, rather than expecting the university to adjudicate. Below is a shortened video of the fallout in response to these benign ‘grown up’ emails. Take note that Yale is supposedly one of top universities in the world." (continues)
leftinnewzealand.wordpress.com/2019/04/07/collective-narcissism-and-identity-politics/

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 01/05/2019 20:36

it's élite/successful young women - they no longer see the need for feminism, because - well, they've made it haven't they? So clearly feminism is no longer needed, and they don't need to be feminists.

This is what every criticism of GC feminism boils down to. "Well I don't mind x, y, z so I don't see the problem". It's the "I'm alright, Jack" of debate tactics. "I'm white and rich and academically gifted, I'm unlikely to go to prison or need a DV refuge or a homeless hostel so who cares". It's such a shitty attitude and absolutely reeks of elite privileged children with no life experience. As BeansandRice says, lets see how well the "woman are not oppressed by their biology" argument stands up after they've had a few kids and are stuck doing all the housework and childcare while their careers stagnate.

Trousering · 01/05/2019 21:51

Shocked at those Yale videos. I wonder how career enhancing that has proved to be for those incredibly rude and nasty young people.

R0wantrees · 01/05/2019 22:02

There were similar situations at Evergreen State College:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3568533-Evergreen-State-College-Bret-Weinstein-Heather-Heying-3-part-documentary

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StopThePlanet · 01/05/2019 22:14

Thanks R0 that that excerpt was great and basically confirms my experiences. I'm going to sit down and read that WordPress blog as soon as I'm stationary for the evening.🤗

AnotherLass · 01/05/2019 22:25

Re the Oxford Student piece:

I kinda wonder whether Grace Davis is secretly gender critical and trying to get the message out. Having said that Selina Todd is transphobic she then included a long passage from her website which makes her seem totally reasonable

nauticant · 01/05/2019 22:46

If you want to see raging out of control entitlement in a toxic environment that encourages this, you can't do better than watch Evergreen videos.