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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Buck Angel hits peak trans?

32 replies

SunsetBeetch · 30/04/2019 06:52

Extraordinary. Buck reacts to someone saying the word transexual hurts people's identities:

twitter.com/BuckAngel/status/1122962097510334465?s=19

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SunsetBeetch · 30/04/2019 06:52

Who says this shit!!! My identity hurts people???? What is happening??? I am so fucking over this so-called " community" GO FUCK YOURSELF FOR EVER SAYING TRANSSEXUAL IS NOT VALID! SERIOUSLY ...FUCK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY t.co/wdSrH2xJl9

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SunsetBeetch · 30/04/2019 06:54

They seem to think that Transsexual is a bad word and not valid..fucking children have no idea where they came from and the shit we did to make a place in this world for them. talk about selfish assholes...grrrrrrrr

twitter.com/BuckAngel/status/1122963219436322817?s=19

Not wild at all. Thats called a dictatorship and not community. They fucking police our language now! Haha could you imagine if the gay community started telling gay men and women to stop say lez and fag and dyke and lezbo.. i dont think so!

twitter.com/BuckAngel/status/1123024377719615488?s=19

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SarahTancredi · 30/04/2019 06:55

Cant say I blame him.

Kids who have been trans five.mins telling people who have been trans longer than they have been alive how to be proper trans.

Must get infuriating for them.

feelingverylazytoday · 30/04/2019 07:16

Jayne (formerly Wayne) County said a similar thing a couple of years ago.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 30/04/2019 07:38

Seems like Buck's been peaking for a few months.

I really feel for transsexuals, the whole system was set up to help these people.

But it's been jumped on by the likes of Pips and the rainbow unicorn glitter gang. Look my hairs blue #valid!

They'll hate Buck for this, they'll hate them even more now we're talking about it.

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thirdfiddle · 30/04/2019 07:48

"I am male not trans"
I think this one's climbing a different mountain.

BettyDuMonde · 30/04/2019 08:01

I think there is definitely a version of peak trans that isn’t gender critical - it’s the one that Rose of Dawn scaled!

I only let myself truly look at the current legal and social issues for women when it became obvious that current transactivism was actively hurting my trans(sexual) friends too.

Proper love Jayne County, btw! Saw Jayne play at Madam JoJo’s in the 90s. Played the whole gig with a Sainsbury’s carrier bag on their arm. A true punk icon! Pete Burns was in attendance too.

Of course, Jayne’s own self describing words are probably considered transphobic now (books.google.co.uk/books/about/Man_Enough_to_be_a_Woman.html?id=DpKfAAAAMAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y) ‘Man enough to be a Woman’ isn’t much different to the massively criticised ‘My Brother’s name is Jessica’

Bluestitch · 30/04/2019 08:09

Just in case there was any doubt that it's only transwomen who matter to TRAs.

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BettyDuMonde · 30/04/2019 08:18

The attempt to take away the term ‘transsexual’ (and indeed, it’s colloquial diminutive ‘tr*y’) from those who have come to terms with it as a descriptor for their own experience reminds me of the removal of ‘Asperger Syndrome’ from the DSM 5. People who had been content to self describe as ‘aspies’ had that language taken from them.

There were sound political and practical reasons for the switch to ASD (and I suppose you could argue that as no one actually changes sex, there is a sound reason for retiring ‘transsexual’ too) but unlike Asperger/ASD, retiring transsexual does absolutely nothing in practical terms for those whom’s life experience it is currently used to describe.

It’s a different battle to ours, but it’s a strikingly similar situation, fought on the same battlegrounds against the same TRA enemies.

FloralBunting · 30/04/2019 08:45

Yeah, Buck won't thank me for pointing it out, but Buck isn't the sex that gets all the soothing strokes for being angry about other people who disagree with them. Therefore Buck is going to cop some flak for this from the shitty grifters in Buck's movement who demand people patreon them money for being trans etc.

If Buck had ever had an actual male anatomy they could say what they want. Sadly for Buck, they haven't so their opinions and anger mean fuck all to these people.

Melioration · 30/04/2019 09:08

Sadly, Floral, you are spot on there. With so many youngsters being referred to GIDS being female, this will probably be a growing issue. Trans men are more acceptable, initially, in male space because they can be easily dismissed.

Lamaha · 30/04/2019 09:08

You gotto love one of the replies on that thread:

Absolutely Agree!! Im not Trans, but i feel a DEEP respect for Trans people we (Gays and Lesbians) are in a HUGE debt with the Trans community all the advances we have today are because TRANS people fight for us! So lets RESPECT, SUPPORT AND LOVE them like they DESERVE!

Guess this person has not yet been informed that it's transphobic to be gay or lesbian.

Datun · 30/04/2019 09:11

The only way to counter trans ideology is using consistent, relentless logic to blow a hole through the middle of it. Unfortunately that's an option that Buck Angel doesn't have.

The argument that says I can do more impossible things than you can, doesn't really wash. 'i've changed sex more than you have', might be a testament to the number of surgeries, but that's merely about quantity.

SarahTancredi · 30/04/2019 09:21

It's also a chilling reminder of the damage this new wave of activists are doing to the cause.

They will be the reason people have enough of all of it. And people like buck who just wanted to go along with their life minding their own business having fought for the right to not be discriminated against are the ones who will suffer the most.

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/04/2019 09:24

Miranda has a temp suspension from Facebook for for saying tranny earlier this year.

SevenHex commented on Miranda's suspension and threw in a load of extra Ts for good measure. Received a warning and possibly suspended also, I can't remember. I did chuckle.

NeedChoos · 30/04/2019 10:01

I think this just highlights the extreme views the tra’s hold. It is literally their way only...#nodebate was just aimed at women but anyone challenging the group think.

I think this extreme-ism is evident to a lesser extent when you look at other areas of this age group 18-24. Tribalism around influencers, celebrities, politics .... it’s very extreme. I can’t think of a better word.

SunsetBeetch · 04/05/2019 11:49

Well. Buck has now tweeted this:

WATCH THIS!!’A Woman's Place is on the Frontline, Kristina Jayne Harrison, Hastings ... t.co/UrD4PJnm6Y via @YouTube #transsexual #valid #sexchange

twitter.com/BuckAngel/status/1124420338060652544?s=19

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BettyDuMonde · 04/05/2019 11:59

Wow.

I feel a bit mumsy-worried when a transitioned person starts to take on GC arguments - it must be quite emotionally stressful, when the logic part of your brain says one thing, but the dysphoric part has dictated your life story so far.

Luckily for Buck, there is already a small number of people in Buck’s position to connect with. Must’ve been really pretty shit for the trailblazers like Miranda.

Bluestitch · 04/05/2019 12:35

TRAs won't be happy, they regularly use Buck as a weapon in their arguments for access to bathrooms etc. Just awaiting Harrop, Comerford et al to start lecturing him on his wrongthink now.

FloralBunting · 04/05/2019 15:34

Fucking hell. Buck, mate, all power to you. If you are engaging with this, I am so pleased that you have a chance to hear the voices of women who very definitely want the best for you, want you to live your life as you wish, free from unfair discrimination and certainly being able to access decent, effective healthcare. We are not enemies. Most of us only ever wanted to be allies. Much respect for not shutting down the conversation.

Genderfreelass · 04/05/2019 16:02

Wow! The trans that 90% of the public consider as trans are now transphobic!

Fair play to Buck and several others on the thread that just got peak trans'd

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 17:52

I feel a bit mumsy-worried when a transitioned person starts to take on GC arguments - it must be quite emotionally stressful, when the logic part of your brain says one thing, but the dysphoric part has dictated your life story so far

IKWYM I’ve seen posts on here from trans people trying to reconcile their transsexual status with their new understanding of GC arguments. Total headfuck for them. Sad

BettyDuMonde · 04/05/2019 18:39

I found the Miranda Yardley/Kinesha YouTube upload really moving in parts (especially towards the end). Miranda points out that Kinesha is looking for self-soothing loopholes/tells Kinesha that Kinesha will never truly pass/asks why Kinesha can’t fulfil their life ambitions as a feminine man?

It feels like spying on a private therapy session, it’s so intimate.

Miranda is a fantastic, realistic mentor/supporter of younger trans identifying people (you can see it in Miranda’s friendship with Fionne).

Perhaps Buck will take up a similar position in time?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_nYR0vDwGnM

Coyoacan · 05/05/2019 05:44

Has anyone seen this thread on twitter?
twitter.com/yooniefucks/status/1123572333267030016

This young transperson, after years of dysphoria suddenly found that the dysphoria had disappeared and is detransitioning. But the reaction of the TRAs is something to behold.

Pepvixen · 09/05/2019 21:12

Completely predictably Buck is being called a TERF.

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