“Symptoms of gender dysphoria” a mermaids tweet.

[NellieEllie]

I find this truly disgusting. This is a list of emotions that many teenagers feel. The ref to ASD and mental health issues is appalling.

mobile.twitter.com/Mermaids_Gender/status/1116689347342942208

I posted before you. That is exactly what I see happening - "What they are trying to escape is trauma"

nicenewdusters apologies for not acknowledging, I skim read the thread,

Its very clear to anyone who has an awareness of Safeguarding frameworks that this may be a significant issue for many children/vulnerable adults identifying as transgender.
The slides make this possibility explicit
That so many 'gender experts' either deny or are oblivious to this should be a massive red flag.

So isn't "decreased gender dysphoria an oxymoron then? ie having gender dysphoria presents as having less gender dysphoria?!?

I'm confused

This is why my child will not be allowed on any SM platform until I feel she is old enough not to be brainwashed, and even then ill pay her not to go on the shite 🤣

The most gender dysphoric of all are those who desist or those who were never dysphoric at all.

ORIGINAL RESEARCH ARTICLE
Front. Psychol., 01 February 2018

'Attachment Patterns and Complex Trauma in a Sample of Adults Diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria'
(extract)
Although it has been proven that the psychological wellbeing of gender diverse persons is largely mediated by family acceptance and support, research on their relationships with parental figures is scarce. A total of 95 adults took part in the study. The attachment distribution was as follows: 27% secure, 27% insecure and 46% disorganized. Regarding early traumas, 56% experienced four or more traumatic forms. Further, gender dysphoric adults showed significantly higher levels of attachment disorganization and polyvictimisation, relative to controls. Comparisons of subgroups, defined by natal gender, showed that trans women, compared to control males, had more involving and physically and psychologically abusive fathers, and were more often separated from their mothers; trans men, relative to female controls, had more involving mothers and were more frequently separated from and neglected by their fathers. The research has several implications for treatment, clinical health psychology, family support and education." (continues)
www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00060/full

YouveGotAxes I've never really thought about the eugenics aspect before. Is there any public discussion of this?

Presumably it reads as 'Middle aged men (many heterosexual with children) self identifying as women in their middle age No surgery for them yet they fund and run organisations targeting children and encouraging them to take drugs and have surgery that will render them infertile before they are of an age to understand what this means.
And many / most? of these children if left to develop without interference would have ended up gay / lesbian? Plus children on the autistic spectrum (over represented in the ROGD groups) also left infertile.
So this movement advocates measures that will result in the sterilisation of specific vulnerable groups of children below the age of consent? And these groups are protected groups under the Equality Act?

I don't even know what to say. The net is cast far and wide though.

This is why my child will not be allowed on any SM platform until I feel she is old enough not to be brainwashed, and even then ill pay her not to go on the shite

Mate, this shit is in every public institution from schools to the NHS to the police. A social media ban is a thumb in the dyke. Almost total capture at this point.

It's really scary as the parent of a nearly teen dd who has autism. The stupidity of co-opting normal teen feelings which are even worse with autism into the trans movement just makes life harder for autistic children and their parents.
And I'm pissed off that children who've sat on waiting lists for years for diagnosis of autism and get no help with the resulting anxiety etc can suddenly get dragged into a spurious situation that will put them on more waiting lists for counselling that won't be trying to address the original problem but just the symptoms of that.
Sorry. I'm a bit incoherent with anger and trying not to get deleted.

@aprilviolets The responses to this tweet are fairly consistent, but if you follow the hashtag epath2019, you see a broader picture of the conference. Including some fairly critical tweets of clinicians and demands that no session should be clinicians only.

@cagliostro Sorry. It just seems a logical next step from discussing conversion therapy. Eugenics is certainly still discussed on the far right (and wasn’t there a conference in London a year or so ago touching on it?).

Oh don’t apologise, it’s eye opening.

It’s suddenly more socially acceptable to pump your little kid full of hormones so they feel like they fit in, rather than let them be their quirky, fascinating autistic selves

To add to the above slides there is also this one on Self Esteem, Adaptation/Integration:

Minimum age of identifying was 3, maximum was 65 with mean age of 13

Minimum age of disclosure was 3, maximum was 66 with the mean age being 27

Age 3 fgs, exactly the age mentioned in the articles in the Times.

This is conversion therapy and eugenics writ large and people still think it is a benign agenda.

@truthisarevolutionaryact I don’t know. I’m just thinking aloud. I’ve just seen eugenics talk on the far right - so there are obviously proponents out there. I could get all tinfoil hatty, but then I’ve seen enough bonkers conspiracy stuff turn out to be validated around Brexit to feel that sometimes the truth is really stranger than one might think.

I’m quite new to all of this, but I’m still wondering to myself where all the money’s come from.

The abstract of the opening speech is horrifying. Here it is:

Background

Despite a trajectory of reform, transgender people continue to face numerous problems in European societies: violence, workplace discrimination, inadequate healthcare ... the list goes on (and on). However, and importantly, these and other material realities are underscored by a prior violence, what we might call an ontological wound. I am speaking here of the denial of gender identity. Many other concrete problems can be viewed as symptoms of this deeper refusal, at the level of civil society, if not the state, to recognise us as properly gendered, and therefore as fully human.

Methods

In order to illuminate this problem, my lecture will focus on an example from the UK, one that serves both to dramatise the problem and to emphasis the stakes for trans people. The example I will explore is one borne of material reality: the criminal prosecution of young trans and other gender non-conforming youth for not disclosing their gender histories prior to intimacy (list of cases). All of these defendants were convicted, most have received custodial sentences, and all have been placed on the Sex Offenders Register.

Results and Conclusions

The lecture will provide a series of arguments against the bringing of such prosecutions for what is, after all, desire-led intimacy. To that end, it will, in addition to considering privacy and non-discrimination rights, interrogate the key criminal law and philosophical concepts of consent, harm and deception, and will reveal the cisnormative frame through which each is constructed. Ultimately, the test of our humanity might best be gauged at such sites of desire and their disavowal, at the point where trans and cis bodies most intimately touch.

Jesus fucking Christ that's rapey bollocks!

It’s eugenics in practice, even if not in intent.

I’m not tin-hatred enough to believe this is deliberate but if you DID want to eliminate a group what better way than to convince parents that they are doing it for their child’s benefit?

^Tin-hatted.

These slides suggest to me that someone has thrown money at academics and said "see what you can come up with theory-wise to disguise the unfortunate fact that we have no evidence to match our ideology"

I think this presentation was about trying to explain away the inconvenient fact that those with ASD (and the other disorders listed) are statistical much more likely to identify as trans.

From the abstract:

We will explore the overlap of symptoms of gender dysphoria that often lead to diagnoses of ADHD, bipolar disorder, high functioning autism, and others.

Except, there is no overlap of 'symptoms' if you look at the diagnostic criteria (DSM and ICD) for gender dysphoria and those other conditions.

So yes the Olson-Kennedys just make it up as they go along.

Prawn just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.

There’s no overlap in symptoms. There is a comorbidity. I wouldn’t be very surprised if gender dysphoria is a response to feelings of alienation from others and to sensory issues associated with ASD; in other words GD might be an indicator your child is on the autistic spectrum rather than the other way round.

But imagine the response of the Autistic Society were showing slides that attributed GD to ASD. That would literally be violence.

The thing is, that if you mistakenly treat someone with ASD as if they are autistic it doesn’t harm them; mistakenly treating someone with ASD as if they have GD will ruin their lives.

Bugger:

Meant: The thing is, that if you mistakenly treat someone with GD as if they are autistic it doesn’t harm them; mistakenly treating someone with ASD as if they have GD will ruin their lives.

Interesting and poignant thread here in response to the bipolar aspect:

twitter.com/overpow_erin_g/status/1117119222130167808?s=21

Now I know what to say. How dare they suggest that the difficulties my DS has is because he really wants to be a girl and not autism. How dare they suggest that all I need to do is put a dress on him and all will be ok.

This is a dangerous message to be giving out. Thankfully the vast majority are seeing right through it.

The thing is, that if you mistakenly treat someone with ASD as if they are autistic it doesn’t harm them; mistakenly treating someone with ASD as if they have GD will ruin their lives.

If a child who has had complex trauma/PTSD or being abused is treated instead for GD this will have enormous consequences for them.

Just horrendous.

So many of these children with the additional needs listed are so so vulnerable.

This fucking appalling grooming behaviour.

Erin Brewer made an interesting point I hadn't thought of on her fb feed this week; many people with autism like the pressure from tight bands or clothes - I've used "bear hugs" with kids before which are ot prescribed tight velcro bands around the chest and over the shoulders to give a calming squeeze.

She wondered if some girls with asd were actually finding sensory relief from binding.

OTs prescribe very careful time limits on using the pressure tops as it isn't good for the developing body to use it for long periods, daily.

A comment on a Twinkl fb sen group depressed me a few weeks ago. Someone breezily says they don't use the words boy, girl etc when teaching puberty in sen schools "as many asd children are gender non conforming." I was too depressed to even begin to challenge it as it came across as a whole school policy in the way it was written.