How would you feel about having a male midwide

[Lardlizard]

Just interested in the points of view

Oh yeah if us women want choice and bodily autonomy then we'll have to accept that we can't apply for nursing roles any longer. That'll show us!

It is not a case of showing anyone. It is a fact - currently men have to accept being cared for by female nurses.

Change that premise and it means more male nurses and fewer female nurses.

You are using very narrow parameters to argue for a very specific outcome that suits you. But you are refusing to see the wider implications of that.

You can't agree that everyone, women and men alike, should be able to choose same sex hcp and then shout "not fair" when that choice results in fewer female staff being required.

I would prefer to have a female midwife. My midwife teams were all women and we built up an amazing rapport. I think that we lost so much female wisdom when male medical professionals took over childbirth, I resonate with the idea of women handling women's business together.

One of my midwives was a lovely young woman who had no children of her own, so she had never experienced it herself. It was still a shared experience as she marveled at what our bodies could do, and she shared with me about wondering how it might be for her one day.

I even lucked out and had a female emergency doctor and when I presented with my 2nd miscarriage. When we got the bad news results, she had tears in her eyes. We were both being brave but there was a raw understanding there.

I had a few male medical people at certain points in my multiple birthing experiences. One was arrogant and it did feel like an intrusion into our space. One was truly lovely and supported me in preparing for theatre.

In an emergency, I'll be thankful for anyone.

I would prefer not. That said, I had a male doctor deliver my second child and he was brilliant. And I personally had a variety of experiences with female midwives; some lovely, some brilliantly practical and no nonsense, and one or two who appeared to be rather unkind bullies. I think personality is more important than whether you are male or female.

It is not a case of showing anyone. It is a fact - currently men have to accept being cared for by female nurses

No, they don't, and their argument, a different thread, by men, for men.

Why are you using this thread to deny women, but worry and stress about men's rights instead?

Male v male MWs is this thread.

Make another thread, on a forum for men possibly, to help them with their need for more male nurses that you've identified as a problem for them.

It's not an argument against women wanting women to assist them.

It's continually derailing.

No, they don't, and their argument, a different thread, by men, for men.

Oh for goodness sake, yes they do. I know. I worked in that specialty for years. My dad was on a ward with only female staff on a shift - please explain how he had any choice over who provided intimate care or are you suggesting that he wait 2 days until a male member of staff appeared in order to go to the toilet?

I'm not arguing it any more. Deny it happens if it makes you feel better.

Tired of conflating womens issues and debates with men's!

My dad was on a ward with only female staff on a shift - please explain how he had any choice over who provided intimate care or are you suggesting that he wait 2 days until a male member of staff appeared in order to go to the toilet?

What on earth has that got to do with women preferring a female midwife, or not???

Huge derailer.

Quite apart from anything else, if men everywhere were clamouring to be treated by men, it would happen.

You see, on this thread, that doesn't make sense to the discussion.

Why is your dfs care, relevant to a thread about male and female mw'ery care for women?

I get that it matters, is important, needs dealing with, but this thread isnt the place!

It's about MWs and women's intimate care.

Its very different from your father's care.

Neither am I denying it happens.

Men can sort it though. Stop conflating men's care with women's.

I said men don't have to.

They can demand they not be handled intimately by a woman, but its not this thread.

Many men also enjoy being handled by women nurses, grabbing arses and upskirting, brushes against nurses uniforms.

More reason for women to priorotise women's care and not mens.

Little you've persisted since your first post in derailing this thread. I'm leaving now because I'm sick of people's agendas (yours) on what is clearly a women's issue on Feminist chat, still being about men. When it's been pointed out to you over and over again, it actually makes me question your motives.

Because these things don't exist in a vacuum.

Single sex staffing in a healthcare setting has wide ranging knock on effects. I think it's important to consider those.

And my point is not about mens healthcare.

It is about the consequence of maintaining nursing as a female occupation.

Which is a feminist issue.

Sagrada please don't leave. As a woman posting in support of women on a feminism chat, that the reason for your position over a mras view.
Its probably the reason for all the derailing though, to make women shut up and piss off

It is about the consequence of maintaining nursing as a female occupation

So, right, nothing to do with MWs.

Go right ahead and make a thread about that instead of derailing this one and driving pp away.

Is that what.you want?

Men have no place at all around birthing women as their presence slows down labour.

Constant de railing from Christmas mouse. Constant

Whataboutry as well

If men don’t want to receive intimate care from women it is for them to speak up.

I don’t mind what gender my medical attention comes from as long as they are trained.

Yes, if their is a choice.

If there were only male obs and gynae drs would you think that women had a choice? No you wouldn't.

It is about the consequence of maintaining nursing as a female occupation

Who is advocating for that? Some have stated that midwifery should be female only but midwive's patients are female only too so that is irrelevant to men.

Why are you still here, derailing, mouse ?

You are not adding to the discussion, just arguing and derailing.

If you can stayed focussed on the topic fair enough, but you are conflating women's issues with mens

And that goes for most of the things MRA say are unfair to men. Domestic violence refuges? Campaign for them, build them, volunteer in them. I’ll cheer you on. Want 50:50 child care after separation? Then do it before separation! I’ll cheer you on. Worried about male mental health and suicide? Set up groups, lobby your MP, listen to and look after each other. I’ll help. Worried about dangerous practices at work? You get the picture.k