Possible Jordan Peterson webchat on MN

[GeordieGenes]

If you go over to site stuff, MN are asking posters if they would like a webchat with Jordan Peterson! The thread is pretty negative, but I think it would be great to ask him about gender critical issues. He's one of the only Canadian voices we have!

If you think this would be good, please go and say so on the thread!

But it's perfectly okay - if you really don't want to hear him - to just ...not hear him. Go about your business. Leave it to those who do

This perfectly

And that just highlights the problem; JP says nothing that your Mum and your teachers didnt say to you

Yes, but it’s not reaching young men. Why? That’s a very interesting question actually.

So making him out to be some kind of ground breaking guru is massively missing the point.
Men who can't hear their mothers can apparently hear JP, and that is the definition of an echo chamber.

This sounds so resentful and bitter. The fact is that JP is getting men to listen, to be responsible humans and get out of the basement. Why on earth would you have a problem with this? Because it didn't come from a woman? Really?

Indeed. I do wonder if this insistence that women who disagree, often vehemently, with Peterson, just need to passively absorb some more of his grand idea, is part and parcel of the patriarchal thrust of his schtick.
When women show evidence of being opinionated and assessing and rejecting his pontifications, its all a bit vexing for him and his fans.

Yes, but it’s not reaching young men. Why? That’s a very interesting question actually.

Probably not something Peterson has the capacity to answer though.

He'd have some round about waffly way of saying its because women are inferior.

Oh, resentful and bitter, too? Shit, my MRA bingo card is goung to be full before page 10 at this rate.

Oh, resentful and bitter, too? Shit, my MRA bingo card is goung to be full before page 10 at this rate.

That's a really lazy answer (add that to your 'bingo card'). Why don't you answer the question? What IS your problem with JP getting young men to take responsibility for their lives?

Yes, but it’s not reaching young men. Why? That’s a very interesting question actually.

Because young men don't want to listen to women, they want to listen to a man who's going to say that privilege doesn't exist and it's all the natural order of things.

We know why young men don't listen to their mothers.

It's because they tune out females as not worth listening to, because they are part of the societal patriarchal norms which have been conditioned over millennia.

Maybe some young men respond better to hearing the message from a male role model rather than their mum. (Especially those without a father)

We are working to establish female role models for women. So why not the same for men.

I would be interested in a webchat with JP. Regardless of whether I agree with him or not.

In really patriarchal cultures, sons have higher fucking social status than their own mothers

Because young men don't want to listen to women, they want to listen to a man who's going to say that privilege doesn't exist and it's all the natural order of things.

This. It is really no great mystery.
What is a mystery, though is, how many women are apparently keen on hearing it.

Why on earth would you have a problem with this? Because it didn't come from a woman? Really?

No it's not because it didn't come from a woman

It's because it's a tale as old as time that men will ONLY listen to other men.

The self help bit is not the bit that people take issue with.

It's because they tune out females as not worth listening to, because they are part of the societal patriarchal norms which have been conditioned over millennia.

Woe is us hey! I am a SP to 2 teenage boys and they listen to me, but they have listened more intently to JP than me about their responsibility in society. What is different to women listening more intently to other women, about for example, childbirth? Are you saying you would listen to a man about childbirth? SOmetimes the topic warrants a role model. A lot of what he talks about is responsibility not rights, and yes this possibly hits home with men more than women - like he says we, as women, are literally forced to be responsible the moment we have children and grow up faster, men less so.

One of JP's 12 Rules is to learn from everyone, he doesn't say JUST MEN. He says everyone.

Hopefully he will talk about topics other than ladybrain.

We are working to establish female role models for women. So why not the same for men.

I have no problem at all with men having male role models,
I highly doubt anyone does.

But it would be nice if those male role models weren't reinforcing the patriarchy.

It's because it's a tale as old as time that men will ONLY listen to other men.

Aye

It's very frustrating to say something important, be ignored or be met with incredulity, then a bloke says the same the same thing, as though he just came up with it, and suddenly everyone says it's the best, illuminating thing - wow! I hadn't thought of that.

One of JP's 12 Rules is to learn from everyone, he doesn't say JUST MEN. He says everyone.

From everyone except for Hannah Arendt.
Or is the actual rule: Learn from everyone (but if it was a woman who taught you, don't credit her).

That's a really lazy answer (add that to your 'bingo card'). Why don't you answer the question? What IS your problem with JP getting young men to take responsibility for their lives?

ODFOD. I've spent quite a few posts explaining my reasonably middling reaction to Peterson. Plenty of other posters are clearly explaining why the fact that feckless young men won't listen to their mother's advice from their mothers, but they will from Peterson, is not testament to the greatness of Peterson but the power of the very patriarchy that he denies exists.

I'm just also pointing out that a thread on Peterson always brings out the MRA usual language - we've had Man haters, resentful and bitter already.

But it would be nice if those male role models weren't reinforcing the patriarchy.

Quite.

But it would be nice if those male role models weren't reinforcing the patriarchy.

He isn't reinforcing the patriarchy - indeed he is against tyranny of all types. What he is VERY behind is the family structure so I would say he is conservative in his views. He looks at the research and says children do best when there is a father and a mother. Which is factually true whether we like it or not.

I am a SP.

I've got two young adult sons who both think JP is a wanker. And that's putting it politely.

I don't think he's as bright or as insightful as he and his fans think he is. But I can't help a sneaky admiration for the way he's appropriated his pomo opposition's penchant for meaningless word salad and puffery and leveraged it against them. I find that funny.

Couldn't care less if he does a web chat here or not. Do care a bit that it's suggested he shouldn't be allowed to.

Come on... we never get gender critical people on web chats! I really hope MN let him on!

I sort of hope MN do get him on. Not because I think he'll wow us with insight, but because he will have to up his game.