The NSPCC aren't right about this are they?

[Macareaux]

Oh wise and knowledgeable women of Mumsnet I don't think the EA2010 does this at all does it? I'm not 100% certain so don't want to wade in.

Continuing to behave inappropriately.

I didn't say it, it was Lang. She is bloody marvellous at the big picture.

Mostly, I'm a ranting twit but I shall take this opportunity to reiterate the bigger picture here:

The NSPCC has statutory powers under the Children Act. It can, independent of any state agency, make care and protection order applications directly to the courts. Institutional capture of this charity by extremist lobby groups has very serious implications and possible ramifications.

@macareaux I don’t know how much it is in schools yet. The new DfE sex ed guidance isn’t in schools until next year - and while LGB relationships may be a flashpoint for conservative / religious communities, I think a bigger issue for everyone to raise with a school is how they will teach the T. The policy is suitably governmentally vague, but allows schools to access support from outside bodies - some of which have teaching aides clearly denying sexual dimorphism. Respect for all is great. Different lifestyles are great. Making up science or reimposing gender stereotypes is less great.

If you take a look at the 'courses' and training that Stonewall offer, it is truly frightening - the amount of money they have - and yet they now redirect it to reduce safeguarding and enable lies and falsehoods. And I say that as someone who once introduced Stonewall training into a school.

Karen White, Jacinta Brooks, these are not one-offs.

It's a cliché but I think "it's not a bug, it's a feature" covers it. It used not to be the case, but it became true when fetishes became part of the trans umbrella.

Macareaux

I hear your scepticism and your fear. And I share it. As you start to uncover quite how much this has infiltrated, it does become rather frightening. I agree.

But the bottom line is, transgenderism doesn't work. It doesn't make for healthy, happy children.

It needs to be untangled.

Flayed arms, sterility and a compromised sex life isn't the same as a blue haired, socially inept kid adopting a fad.

The former will grow up. Their stories will be told. And their regrets will be real.

The reason why I think it will be fine in the long run, is because there is too much to go wrong. And, I hope this isn't too optimistic, but I do believe in the decency of a significant number of people. And once you see it, it cannot be unseen.

Cancelled my long-standing direct debit. Emailed and told them why.

For months, the NSPCC has known that its interpretation of the law has been disputed. It chickened out of a Mumsnet Q&A rather than answer questions about its position on the law.

It has been given copies of EHRC's new advice on single sex provision. It has been shown the advice of top flight lawyers. It has lost shed loads of money this year, too and its reputation as a children's charity has taken a dive.

And in the face of all that it sticks to its advice about mixed sex spaces for children and teenagers. It disregards legal advice and disregards public concern.

For the NSPCC some things are MORE IMPORTANT than safeguarding and I can't understand it at all.

theOtherPamAyres

The interesting thing would be to work out why! Someone's got their goolies in a vice and is tightening it, but how? Someone high up in the organisation who's trans? A big donor? Someone knows something about someone senior and has a hold over them (not far fetched given the other scandals in the Charity Sector - Kids' Company, Oxfam in Haiti, the guy from 38 degrees today)?

Their whole remit is meant to be safeguarding, so to throw this out the window completely is... weird. (Ditto Girl Guides.)

I think it will take multiple safeguarding failures the health and fertility issues caused by long term cross sex hormone use and puberty blockers to really change things. And like Jess Bradley, all the people pushing this narrative will disappear into the ether like they never existed.

But I think it will take a huge scandal before the woke community reverse their march to gender superseding sex.

Had NSPCC's funding gone down? Hadn't realised that. Is it in line with trends or an outlier?

Interesting article by Excel Pope which demonstrates the Safeguarding responsibilities of school governors with regards single-sex spaces for female pupils:
'The unaskable question?'
Posted on February 28, 2019

concludes:
Where the analogy breaks a little is that, when assessing the level of risk represented by moving from traditional sex-segregation of spaces to gender-segregation, it’s important to realise that our sample-space isn’t ‘trans-children’ but ‘teenage males’. In the month a 16-year-old boy was found guilty of abducting, raping and killing a girl it would be reckless to suggest that this group is entirely risk-free for others.

If there’s an acceptance that the suggested guidelines aren’t risk free then the questions that follow have to be, “How much risk?”, “How can that risk be mitigated?”, “Do the benefits justify the risk?”

Those are big questions, and I have no intention of tackling them here, but they need to be asked. To suggest that they are unaskable is, dare I say, a little hysterical…and certainly dangerous."
excelpope.wordpress.com/2019/02/28/the-unaskable-question/

An excellent article. I suspect that this is the teenage rapist that he mentions:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6891251/Teenage-rapist-kept-murder-manual-jailed-eight-years.html

I wonder how safe girls would be if they had to share toilets with him at school?

truthisarevolutionaryact
It is and demonstrates an understanding of Safeguarding which seems lacking in guidance influencedby TRAs.
Its also important to remember that ultimate responsibility lies with schools' governors.

Have sent in a complaint to NSPCC - can see plenty of complaints on Twitter and a bit of backtracking from the NSPCC although not on the main point. Frankly safeguarding is their bread and butter and if they can't get this right then they don't deserve our donations.

Thanks for linking that article R0.

I spend a lot of time designing policies and procedures, and what I tell people is this:- Imagine a worst-case scenario occurs. There is an official investigation, where you’re asked “What did you do to prevent this happening?”.

I don't think an acceptable response is 'I didn't want to be accused of being a bigot'

The NSPCC's accounts showed income falling by £9 million pounds in 2018

They said that the fall was due to
(a) fewer one-off donations
(b) poor sales of merchandise
(c) fewer legacies
(d) 28,000 people stopping regular payments
(e) less income from government grants

It received over 600 complaints, 500+ were from people explaining why they had stopped their direct debits.

That is interesting theOtherPamAyres

Yes... I wonder if their Mumsnet webchat, or rather lack of, was somewhat responsible for that?

I saw this on twitter last night (not on twitter, just read it) and was genuinely appalled. Not just the rubbish advice but the unprofessional replies.

I've just seen today their additional tweets (no correction) and the fawning responses to TRAs who describe people with concerns as hate mobs.

I've also read the correspondence one woman has sent to the NSPCC over the past year.

It's awful. That big, national organisations should take this stance is frightening.

Equally could have been referring to this boy who was 16 at the time of his horrific crime - rape, torture and murder of a very young girl. Poor Aleesha
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47568603

Sorry should have been spelled alesha

WhatWouldBarbaraCastleDo

Please write to your MP and/or make a complaint to the charities commission.

It's awful. That big, national organisations should take this stance is frightening

Yes you would think a big national organisation with a lot of history would be setting the agenda in their realm of specialisation, ie safeguarding children, and not bodging their credentials to fit the agenda of other organisations with different priorities.

There are systemic Safeguarding & Child Protection framework failures.

See thead which collates some examples:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo