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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel McKinnon suspended from Twitter

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Nephilim1964 · 29/03/2019 18:37

Apparently telling women to 'die in a grease fire' is hate speech. Who knew?

Have a great weekend everyone!!

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Rumbletum2 · 06/04/2019 20:32

RMK is definitely not feminine.

Put The Rock in a dress with a dab of lippie and he’d pass better.

FleetsumNJetsum · 06/04/2019 23:03

Filched this from KF's RMK thread:
For better or worse, evolution has optimized women's bodies for the extreme endurance reproduction triathlon: first you spend nine months growing a little human being inside of you, then once it's the size of a cannonball you spend several agonizing hours pushing it out of you, then you spend another nine months or so feeding it from your own body. No male will ever qualify for this event, let alone be a champion at it.

(Side note: saying that the realities of mammalian reproduction have shaped the evolution of human anatomy is not the same thing as saying that women are baby-making machines. Women are more than walking incubators in the same way that men are more than walking sperm banks.)

The fact is that female reproductive abilities demand a tradeoff in terms of speed and strength. Testosterone above ~2.4 nmol/L (which is well, well below the male norm) derails the hormonal cycle that governs the growth of endrometrial lining and ovulation. (I won't go into all the effects that T levels have on athletic performance, but suffice it to say that these effects are real and huge. The low-T elite male athletes Rhys loves to yammer on about have low T because they've borked up their endocrine systems by doping.)

The uterus takes up valuable real estate in the body cavity, meaning that men have proportionally larger internal organs, including heart and lungs. Men breathe more efficiently than women: women's breathing relies more on expansion of the ribcage, while men's breathing relies more on the diaphragm, because men will never have a tiny little human inside of them pressed up against their diaphragm. Men's Q angle is biomechanically better suited for running (and maybe cycling? can any cyclists or medical folks weigh in on this?) because they don't need pelvises wide enough to accommodate an infant's head. Women have more body fat than men because it is necessary to sustain ovulation, pregnancy, and lactation; even elite female athletes who have too little body fat to menstruate will still have significantly more body fat than elite male athletes (that is, elite male athletes who are competing as males—I'm lookin' at you, R).

Bottom line: men have a huge athletic advantage over women. No amount of wishful thinking and rhetorical shell games will alter this fact. This is not to say that women's athletics don't or shouldn't matter. No human man could outwrestle a grizzly, outswim a dolphin, or outsprint a cheetah, but we still celebrate human men who excel at wrestling, swimming, and sprinting relative to other human men. There's no reason that we can't do the same for women.

Oldermum156 · 07/04/2019 22:22

I'm suspended from twitter too and just got deleted here for talking about it. I guess I'll be leaving here too since this is no longer a safe place to talk anymore. Not allowed to say anything anywhere anymore except "of course trans women are women because they say so!" I guess, but they can threaten and doxx us and call us bigots till the cows come home

so bye

Redshoeblueshoe · 07/04/2019 22:25

Yes oldermum I have no idea why your thread was deleted

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/04/2019 22:31

Oldermum please don’t go, I know it’s exasperating, but you cannot let them win.

MN are under pressure. Twitter is trans central, they delete any women who questions trans ideology, it’s a badge of honour.

In the spirit of offering support to a fellow mum at a difficult time (ie moderators please don’t delete), come over to Reddit Gender Critical, they are less vulnerable than MN (probably because reddit is male dominated over all) so women are allowed to speak about their realities and seek support. Flowers

nauticant · 07/04/2019 22:49

If you feel you must leave Oldermum156 then we can't stop you. However, you might want to mull over some thoughts.

We can say enough here for it to be worth having the discussion. And it's important for the discussion to be had. If we don't have it here, then the amount of useful discussion going on in general will be significantly reduced.

MN don't always get it right but they have stuck their neck out over this and I welcome them having done so. It would have been so easy for them to have said "nah, can't be doing with this hassle".

FleetsumNJetsum · 08/04/2019 00:59

Many apologies, but I couldn't resist. Another control/c from KF (but Steph this time), we are cool now??

Until not long ago, Mumsnet was considered to be this dreary place where middle class moms would talk about little Timmy in between eating bons bons. Now it's regularly being compared to 4chan, is apparently backed by (((dark money))), and is a favorite spot for "youngsters" somehow. I might join now, actually.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/04/2019 08:19

Cool. Edgy.

Mastitis, weaning, buggies, sleep training...
Is this all code then for something filthy? Who’d’ve think it?

ErrolTheDragon · 08/04/2019 14:36

Is this all code then for something filthy? Who’d’ve think it?

As a parenting website, MN is clearly a place for people who know what sex is and how to use it !Grin

andyoldlabour · 08/04/2019 14:49

DodoPatrol

Apologies, I suppose it was levelled at me many times when I used to commute by bike to London in the past, mainly by people who could have done with some exercise themselves.
I actually think that some "slebs"glorify the anti cyclist attitude in the UK. As someone who cycles and drives, I see more bad drivers than cyclists.
This article by Janet Street Porter is pretty typical of the stuff put out by the likes of Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6858315/JANET-STREET-PORTER-Cyclists-need-start-behaving-like-decent-human-beings.html

JessicaWakefieldSV · 08/04/2019 15:17

andyoldlabour yeah I agree with your comments re cyclists. We should be encouraging more cycling and less driving IMO

ErrolTheDragon · 08/04/2019 15:20

Interesting aside in there about JSP self censoring re gender fluidity etc. This is no time for opinionated women to do that!

andyoldlabour · 08/04/2019 16:18

"Interesting aside in there about JSP self censoring re gender fluidity etc."

I totally agree given that she is one of the "gobbiest" journos around, I would have thought she would be a lot less guarded with her comments on this issue.

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