Harry the owl visited by police 2

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First thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3487853-Harry-the-owl-visited-by-police?pg=1

Harry the Owl on Twitter was first contacted by police for "thought crime" and "retweeting" on 23 January 2019.
twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1088144870991114241?s=09

He was contacted again today with regards to his complaint.
twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1110503943245688832

Freedom of expression is a cornerstone of democracy and key to the enjoyment of many other rights. The right protected is very widely drawn, going far beyond the freedom of the press. It covers political speech, commercial speech and artistic expression. The Court has stressed its constitutional importance and said interference can be justified only by imperative necessities and exceptions must be interpreted narrowly. It has also said expression protected by Paragraph 1 includes "not only ideas that are favourably received or regarded as inoffensive… but also those that offend, shock or disturb the State or any sector of the population". So opinions that might be regarded as extreme and offensive and art that might be considered obscene may in principle be expressed and displayed, subject to the qualified exceptions in paragraph 2, which are to be interpreted narrowly. The presumption is in favour of free expression.
www.coe.int/en/web/echr-toolkit/la-liberte-dexpression

Harry’s views are (obviously!!) legal. This explicitly states the view that it is lawful to think that transwomen with a grc are men

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/freedom-of-expression-guide-for-higher-education-providers-and-students-unions-england-and-wales.pdf

That couldn't be clearer ewe - looks like someone's onside at the Ehc! Of all the examples they could have used....

There was a specific reference to the police in the Maria Miller Enquiry.

It criticised their performance in relation to the victimisation of trans people. It told them to improve and to
(a) start training on trans isssues, as a matter of urgency
(b) crack down on transphobia
(c) review their policies in consultation with trans groups

Until such time as the government do a u-turn and admit that they gave the police shit directions that have had a catastrophic affect on police-public confidence, they will do as they have been told.

They've been Millered and Stonewalled into line.

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Kudos to the hull paper for publishing the poem.

Seem to be more and more press taking a ‘come and get me’ approach to free speech being curtailed

Is Harry pursuing this further?

I really hope he does. His treatment by the police is unacceptable.

"I wrote:

This is tantalising, from 2013, but the Hull Daily Mail no longer has it

twitter.com/TransMediaWatch/status/346588902997508097?s=20

The Charity in Humberside that this police officer received an MBE for his work with is called Gender Shift."

Inspector Lamb

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-22909307

twitter.com/lambsteve

MBE seems to be for marathon running, the transgender liaison bit is irrelevant I think?

Holy fuck. I read it up thread but it bears repeating. I just cannot believe the police would say this to a newspaper.

There was never any suggestion he shouldn’t engage in politics or debate around the subject in question, he was just asked why he would want to, knowing it would cause distress and upset to others in society

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/offensive-transgender-limerick-twitter-police-2687070

he was just asked why he would want to, knowing it would cause distress and upset to others in society

What the fuck are the police doing wasting time and resources asking questions like this? This must be legally considered harassment. Its none of their damn business why any of us want to do completely legal things. They can fuck right off.

MBE seems to be for marathon running, the transgender liaison bit is irrelevant I think?

Not the way the Trans Media Watch post is worded. It was part of the reason he got an MBE according to them.

www.lgbtpolice.uk/ntpa Adults supporting adults in the same profession is understandable but why splash the Mermaids logo ?

www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/15/queens-birthday-honours-mbe

Stephen Lamb. Police inspector, Humberside police. For services to policing and charitable fundraising. (Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire)

I have fallen down an honours rabbit hole though)

Time for major media to pick this up. I know Jesse Singal was looking to speak to those harassed by UK police for gender criticism a little while ago. Glad to see James Kirkup already on it.

There was never any suggestion he shouldn’t engage in politics or debate around the subject in question, he was just asked why he would want to, knowing it would cause distress and upset to others in society

Because, you ignorant fool, our government is currently consulting with the public, you know, your boss, about things like a conflict with WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

Dear god.

I get distressed and upset every time I hear "trans women are women" because I am an actual biological woman and object to men stealing my reality. So UK police I wish to make an official complaint every bloody time, because it causes distress to me!

This is not police business the cheeky fuckers

This is a really great related thread making links (and I love both Tim (not trans identifying males, but Penguin Tim, and penguins in general!)

twitter.com/forwardnotback/status/1110583181600845824

What subjects are the police happy for us to discuss that may upset other people's points of view?

Think about it. This isn't just about women's rights being threatened.

To paraphrase from Kafka, ‘if you don’t know what law you have broken, how can you say you are innocent?’

he was just asked why he would want to, knowing it would cause distress and upset to others in society

Becaue by agreeing to this formulation, or not denying it, he would be tending to incriminate himself by admitting, or not denying, that the purpose of his intervention was knowingly to cause distress and alarm, an offence under the 1994 Public Order Act.

It's coppers hanging around in the gents smiling, 21st century style.

Harry's local rag in conjunction with the police (press release ?), have stuck him on the crime page of the newspaper. Amongst drug dealers and knife criminals.

This is getting horrific. Harry has said that his suppliers, customers and his 90 employees will read it. His entire business could fail on the back of it.

How on earth can they be getting away with this? It's terrible.

mobile.twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1111155046178344961

What the hell? How is this happening? Can he do anything about this?

How on earth can they be getting away with this? It's terrible

This is just the start.

WTAF are they playing at?

He hasn't committed a crime.

so-called "misgendering" is not included in any aspect of UK law, be that civil law or criminal law;

so-called "deadnaming" is not included in any aspect of UK law. be that civil law or criminal law.

In fact, the Gender Recognition Act 2004 requires "deadnaming" when it comes to the Birth Certificates of any child who has a parent who "transitions":

GRA 2004 Section 12: Parenthood

[the name and sex of the parent cannot be changed on the Birth Certificate of any child]:

Parenthood
The fact that a person’s gender has become the acquired gender under this Act does not affect the status of the person as the father or mother of a child.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/12

So the issue of "dead-naming" is a load of bollocks that the Trans Lobby is intent on gaslighting our entire society about.