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Mother sues Croydon primary school over ‘pride parade’

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/03/2019 08:47

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f46e4a00-4dab-11e9-96ca-8fefe1a19859

A school holding a pride parade? That sounds lovely and inclusive. The placards are a tad worrying though...

Mother sues Croydon primary school over ‘pride parade’
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GrumpyGran8 · 24/03/2019 15:44

I don't know about the sign being a set up but if you Google Izoduwa Montague, Izzy Montague or Izoduwa Adhedo there are loads of results
She's a member of Christian Concern and this particular story is from January. That would at least fit in with the "I have a dreem" sign - MLK day is on 20th January - so the sign is probably real.

howard97A · 24/03/2019 15:55

If that's the dream of the man who wrote the sign, I'd be seriously worried about him teaching my grandchildren

WhenIsTheEasyBit · 24/03/2019 16:07

For those saying teachers are cowed into submission even if they are GC themselves, the cowing comes from higher than headteachers and the local authority. Deputy director of Ofsted jumped on a tweet bandwagon a couple of days ago where the original tweet was referring to LGBT. I don't know whether he genuinely supports the kind of Stonewall approved training that spreads non-scientific and regressive messages or simply and rightly wanted to challenge homophobia, but his word is God to School leaders. The Chartered College of Teaching, massively supported by the DFE and given a huge role in the training particularly of new teachers retweeted a link to a petition against the Transgender Trend materials being distributed to schools. It's all very frightening because it's been such a clever move to attach that T to LGB.

RepealTheGRA · 24/03/2019 16:49

I agree with her asking for compensation. A financial penalty is the only thing that will make Academy trusts sit up and take notice.

Imnobody4 · 24/03/2019 17:16

An earlier article
Mum who complained about gay parade at son's school is shocked by staff member wearing THIS t-shirt | Daily Mail Online
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6425175/
she was stunned to be confronted by a member of staff wearing a T-shirt with the slogan: ‘Why be racist, sexist, homophobic, or transphobic when you could just be quiet?’

The school, Heavers Farm Primary in South-East London, denies her claims, saying the choice of T-shirt worn at the meeting by Attie Copeman-Papas, the school’s deputy safeguarding manager, (the head's daughter, no possible nepotism there then) was entirely coincidental and no offence was intended.
I hope she gets every penny. Wearing a t shirt like that is completely unprofessional. I can't believe the arrogance of some in the Academy section of education.

RepealTheGRA · 24/03/2019 17:29

That T-shirt is completely unacceptable workwear for a teacher.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 24/03/2019 17:58

That t shirt clarifies a lot about why they are in this situation. For a Headteacher to allow a member of staff to wear it at a sensitive and tricky meeting with a parent says so much. The fact that she is the the 'deputy safeguarding lead' and the Head's daughter suggests that this is a school with significant problems about professional standards and boundaries.
If you go into a meeting with a parent wearing a deliberately aggressive and inflammatory t shirt like that it signals that you have no intention of listening to or working with the parent. No wonder this has escalated.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/03/2019 18:03

TBH, I'm not sure the mother suing the school is the story, I think that sign is.

I'm glad the Times chose to use that image as it shows that whilst objecting to LGB education is wrong, objecting the T is an extremely good idea.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/03/2019 18:09

Original context of image here:
heaversfarm.com/2018/10/18/peridot-martin-luther-king-i-have-a-dream

Archived here: archive.li/KsFKb

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Barracker · 24/03/2019 18:13

Thanks RepealTheGRA

qumquat · 24/03/2019 18:19

I have a 4yo and get a lot of birthday cards in 4yo writing. This is not it. But that's just doubly weird. Why did an adult pretend to be a child to write it?

qumquat · 24/03/2019 18:22

Ok just seen it's from yr1 so more plausibly written by a child. Still totally sinister

RepealTheGRA · 24/03/2019 18:25

Yep, the story here is the unprofessionalism and gross incompetence of the school.

JackyHolyoake · 24/03/2019 18:43

Maybe the teachers in that school needs to read the Trans Widows pages here on Mumsnet?

They will soon learn how these male adults are using children as a human shield to obscure their sexual behaviours on the basis of "If it happens to children it can't be sexual can it?

zanahoria · 24/03/2019 18:46

perhaps it was written by an adult who has transitioned to a child?

thenightsky · 24/03/2019 18:56

zanahoria Grin

Oliversmumsarmy · 25/03/2019 06:44

If that is the girls dream, wasn’t there a boys dream for girls to use male toilets or does the dream only go one way.

Lamaha · 25/03/2019 07:02

But surely the vast majority of parents in the country would object to the teaching of trans ideology, and surely if they band together and simply refuse, something could be done? And surely Mumsnet is the place to instigate such a mass protest? What about a petition? I can't believe that most parents, mothers especially, think this is a good idea. Most parents are delighted with their little boys/little girls and don't want it put into their heads that it's possible to change sex.
There would be a mass protest if flat-earth theory were to be introduced into schools, or creationism. This is no better.

drspouse · 25/03/2019 09:52

I assume that's a girl with that sign, unless it's a boy who's been told he's a girl because he's got long hair.

surely the vast majority of parents in the country would object to the teaching of trans ideology, and surely if they band together and simply refuse, something could be done?

They don't know it's going on.
Or they think it's not kind to talk about it.
Or they think what harm can a small boy who wants be a girl do, if he wears dresses and goes in the girls' loo.
Or they say "well I don't want stereotyping taught but if someone wants to be trans I don't want to stop them".
Or they have a really good male friend who transitioned to live as a woman in the 80s and is happily married to their (gay) husband.
Or they actually think that people can change sex because they don't really get what gender reassignment surgery is.
Or they think that all trans adults have had GRS and hormone treatment and think they are "as good as" the opposite sex.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/03/2019 12:02

Even if that was the sentiment of a small child (aside from the who wrote it issue), why would they ‘have a dream’? What are they being told?

When I was primary one I was indignant about things like people tying up dogs or not allowing shorter children on fairground rides. I hated people lying or teasing. Who is telling small kids that this issue is the Disgrace of the Century and up and down the country small boys are weeping at the injustice of not being able to pee with the girls. And let’s face it - a number of the boys will be trying to peek at the girls knickers.

drspouse · 25/03/2019 12:24

LordProf as to why they've written that specific wording, if you look at the blog above, there are several in this format.
But as to why they think this is a good dream, that's not coming from them.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/03/2019 12:45

Oh I didn’t see the blog

If asked at that age - me dreams would have been:

Being chased by the nazis (a recurring dream in childhood)
Flying
Owning a farm

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 25/03/2019 17:57

No 4 year kid ever has dreams about sharing loos with boys ffs

Indeed. What a pile of shit.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 25/03/2019 18:19

I asked my Year 1 daughter "what's your dream?"
Her response was " I want to ride a unicorn"

My daughter (6) apparently wants to be a princess.
And my son (4) wants to...eat some peas Hmm

I think we can grant one of the wishes now, though he will have moved on my the time they are cooked. Dream shattered as silly mother cannot perform miracles nor does she wish to give child a handful of peas still frozen.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/03/2019 18:23

When DS was little if I’d asked it would have been to be a motorcycle police officer and to have a big dog. Deffo not to go into the girls loos!

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