Mother sues Croydon primary school over ‘pride parade’

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f46e4a00-4dab-11e9-96ca-8fefe1a19859

A school holding a pride parade? That sounds lovely and inclusive. The placards are a tad worrying though...

You can tell the sign was written by an adult, as (apart from the sentiment) it uses the same spelling for words that are phonetically different - 'bois' and 'saim'.

Without wanting to get into the ins and outs of child phonetic development this is fine isn't it? 'Oi' for 'boys' and 'ai' for 'same' (lots of kids struggle with the split digraph to start with)?

I am SO ANGRY that reception age girls are being brainwashed and forced to accept boys into their intimate private spaces. Fuck. Right. Off.

No 4 year kid ever has dreams about sharing loos with boys ffs

They don5 even think about this stuff
What weirdo thought it was a great idea to have a kid holding up that made up sign
Totally weird thing to do

This is creepy.

BarbieJellyBabyBrain don't most kids learn to spell 'boy' and then add an 's' to make it plural?

My DD is in Reception and they have girls' and boys' toilets and she wouldn't want to use the boys'.
But children do often ask how to spell the one word they aren't sure of while guessing the others. I'm prepared to believe an indoctrinated Y1 or Y2.

So so agree OP that the T has parasitically attached itself. The row about No Outsiders has brought loads of people forward to condemn condemnation of inclusive SRE, but there's that T hanging on it's coat-tails and cruising in on the back of decades of work.

T is not a sexuality. T possibly deserves more attention, more empathy (currently catching up with The Making of Me and feeling desperately sad). What is most needed though is a deep analysis of its massive growth. That growth will be multiplied if regressive gender stereotypes are embedded within what children are taught at school and if irreversible medical treatments are normalised and most especially if we can't effing well talk about it without being labelled phobic

Despairing.

No little girl ever wanted little boys in the loos. And very few little boys ever wanted to go into the girls (but then the case in the US pops to mind where the little ‘boy’ decided he was a girl and sexually assaulted a very little girl).

When I was a child there was no way on gods green earth a boy would be tolerated in the girls loo.

Thus is what they do.

Hide behind children.

Wake up people. They do not care about your children they are using them. Grooming them.

So a parent if happy for little kids to share loo facilities.

Will the be happy when Tina is 13 and has periods but feels uneasy to use the shared loos with hormonal teenage boys? Or when girls stop using the loos to avoid the boys? Or when girls are groped in the loos? Or when girls have go in pairs so that they aren’t alone in the loos with boys?

BarbieJellyBabyBrain don't most kids learn to spell 'boy' and then add an 's' to make it plural?

They learn 'oi' first in phase 3 (usually Reception) and then learn 'oy' in phase 5 (usually Year 1, but can be end of Reception). Phase 5 is also when they are taught about the split digraph, although that takes a while to embed. They are also taught about choosing the 'right' sound when they are being taught about alternative spellings for the same sound and that if the 'oy' sound comes at the end of the word, it will be the 'oy' spelling. So then they would know that boy is spelt with 'oy'.

The other thing about 'boy' is that it is a word that the children see a lot all over the place (for example on toilets! ) so they would probably be quicker to learn the correct spelling, like other common words.

This looks like a child who has only been taught phase 3 but the handwriting betrays that level of development. There is something off about the handwriting, that I I can't quite put my finger on! And also they appear to have just bashed out this quite lengthy and complex sentence on a whiteboard, which seems strange as well somehow.

However, even in the unlikely event that the child actually wrote this, it's pretty obvious that it did not come from then, because kids of that age do not give a flying fuck about toilets!

It is a problem. I completely support education about and the acknowledgement of same sex relationships but with the T so firmly attached to LGBT you can't support one without the other.

Asking if Clare Balding has a wife, say, and discussing their marriage in class is very different from boys have periods, people can change sex and a boy with a willy is a girl because he thinks he is and likes glitter

Yes, this tacking on for the T to LGB is working wonders isn't it.

I am perfectly happy for my Reception child to learn that some men get married to men and some women get married to women, and some people have two mummies/daddies whatever.

Im not happy for my kids to be taught wierd shit about boys and girls sharing toilets, or about boys who like pink being 'born in the wrong body'.

But I can't voice objections to the latter without it looking like I object to all of it.

The letters look too well formed the ‘if’ is very clear. As a pp said there are no backwards letters. The letters are also on a line, it doesn’t go up and down or merge into other lines and the spacing between words is consistent. I struggled to decipher my DCs handwriting at that age although their teachers had no problem.

Agree with all that I have no issues with the LGB part but strong concerns about the T part.

This is creepy

Yep. Layers and layers of creepiness.

The curved part of the lettering looks like someone who is used to writing in cursive as opposed to printing.

I don’t think ‘I have a dream’ is childspeak

Toilet had to be spelt correctly, because thats the important part of the message.

Agree with all that I have no issues with the LGB part but strong concerns about the T part.

Likewise.

And as an aside, I get terrible grumbling from my Reception age DS when I make him go into the Ladies toilets with me if he needs a wee when we’re out and about. There’s a lot of complaints along the lines of “but these are girls toilets! The boys toilets are over there, look at the signs!”

He does not dream of a world where boys can use the same toilets as girls. He dreams of a world where he’s allowed to go into the men’s public toilets by himself when he needs a wee. (Which will happen when he’s older.)

Teaching kids some people are married to people of the same sex is age appropriate. A kid of this age being asked to understand who uses whose loo and why is not age-appropriate.

I can't see anyone of that age writing a G like that I must admit, looks like the sort you would do only after learning joined-up writing.

I have a dream where wee ones learnt to wipe their bums properly and then wiped their bums properly

That dream will come true on3 day

I have a dream that they will then flush the toilet and wash their hands without being constantly reminded.

I can't see anyone of that age writing a G like that I must admit, looks like the sort you would do only after learning joined-up writing.

Yes, although the ridiculous focus on handwriting now means that some schools are teaching cursive from the off in Reception (although the other letters are print) but also have displays around the school done in cursive or pre cursive so a child who is learning print might have seen a g done like that elsewhere.

Obvs I'm clutching at straws here