Police investigation of Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull following complaint by Susie Green

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Not sure if this has already been posted......www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/20/second-woman-investigated-police-transphobic-comments/

Not sure why link isn’t working. This is a twitter link mobile.twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1108454621998125056

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/20/second-woman-investigated-police-transphobic-comments/

It's starting to look as if SG has got nothing better to do with her time and the police are only to happy to be her own personal attack dogs.

Great to see light being shed on this but I find it very irritating seeing sex and gender conflated with such regularity and with such misleading effect.

Jackie Green, 25, became the youngest person in Britain to transition when she changed her sex from male to female aged 16.

Jackie could not have obtained a GRC before the age of 18 so despite surgery would have remained legally male until then. The GRC creates a legal fiction in which sex can be changed on a birth certificate but no human being can actually change biological sex. Grrr

Posie Parker was advised about this during Christmas. I remember her video when she was sat in front of a tree.

Its a long time to have had pressure from CPS and various police forces.

It's starting to look as if SG has got nothing better to do with her time and the police are only to happy to be her own personal attack dogs.

In July 2018 Victoria Derbyshire Show reported:
(extract)
So far, her mum, Jen, says, it's been about helping her fit in and dealing with the odd nasty comment from one classmate, who said she would never be a "proper" woman.

"I have to do everything I can as a mother to protect my child - to talk to her so she knows how to deal with those comments - but also to talk to the other child's parents so they can help their child understand," she explains.

"I didn't want that child punishing, I think it's more about them being talked to and helped understand the situation because what he was saying was wrong. She can be a woman and develop as a woman and grow up as a lady if that's what she wants to do."

Lily herself said her friends stood up for her, but she feels "not good, upset," when comments like that are made.

Both girls recently spent the weekend at a camp for trans children and their families, run by the Mermaids charity.

It was attended by around 30 children between the ages of six and 19, who spend time socialising or in workshops on bullying, self-esteem or how to report hate crimes.

The charity keeps the location secret - 17 times in the past six months its founder, Suzie Green, has reported abusive online messages to the police. Eight cases in the past year have been investigated as suspected hate crimes.

"We were being called paedophiles, we were being accused of being child abusers," she says. "In fact they even did a mock-up of a van with puppies and sweets on the side saying that Mermaids are trawling infant schools trying to pick up children to make them trans. It is ridiculous."

More than half young trans people say they have been the victim of hate crime in the last year, according to research from the Stonewall charity." (continues)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44661079

So of 17 alleged 'hate crimes' 9 were not investigated by police, of 8 investigated was the allegation against Posie Parker last year the only one pursued. Presumably, none have been charged so none proven? How many more since July 2018?

"In fact they even did a mock-up of a van with puppies and sweets on the side saying that Mermaids are trawling infant schools trying to pick up children to make them trans. It is ridiculous."

THEY FUCKING HAVE A VAN WITH PUPPIES AND SWEETS okay probably not a van but... puppies and sweets to draw in children is a thing they DO.

Similarly, having her child ill g lly c str * d is a thing Susie Green actually did* - shit, I'm scared to type that. But she did! It's the literal, factual truth. I guess when you can sue people for hate crimes for telling the truth about you, you can get away with anything you like. Uninformed people will assume that the truth is a hateful lie, and informed people will be too frightened to speak up.

SG is a very dangerous woman. How anyone can support her with the rubbish she spouts is beyond me. It doesn't take much due diligence and thought to see through her. How can she be so powerful that she has the likes of the police, BBC and National Lotttery in her pockets?

Had Green tasked herself with maintaining some kind of monthly quota?? She's only just yesterday had to withdraw a similar complaint she'd made to police about Caroline Farrow for referring to SG's 16yr old male child in terms we use in English for male children.

But it is a bit more sunlight, at least.

Isn’t it great to learn someone in receipt of £500,000 worth of lottery funding is spending her time harassing mums about tweets?

I support you, Posie. SG is a hateful, toxic individual.

Horrible for Posie, but this attention might encourage the police and CPS to drop their action.

The article says JG 'changed sex' from 'male to female'..... Since when can people change sex?

Undertaking extreme surgical and chemical body morphication to alter appearances whilst destroying sexual function is not changing sex the last time I looked. It is neutering/sterilising at best. What's going on Telegraph? Will you be reporting that the world was created in seven days next?

Do "Dr Evil" is guilty of GBH
www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-47205466/dr-evil-guilty-over-body-part-removal

and yet Susie Green get away with taking her child abroad for illegal surgery and gets to use the police as if they were her own private law enforcement entity in order to bully and harass people just for stating completely true things?

I imagine that there are many cops who are experiencing cognitive dissonance over this issue but who cannot say what they really think because of the policing of thought and language.

I looked into the figures for "hate crime" and came up with these statistics from 2017/2018.
Total hate incidents were 94,098, up 17% from the previous year.
Of those, just 2% 1,651 were transgender hate incidents.
The question is, what actually constitutes a "hate incident"?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45874265

The puppies and sweets thing was a reference to an appearance by Mermaids at a lgbt event where they were using a dog and bags of sweets to entice visitors to their stall as covered in this tweet by 4thwavenow,

twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/891405524792639493

SG said;
"We were being called paedophiles, we were being accused of being child abusers," she says. "In fact they even did a mock-up of a van with puppies and sweets on the side saying that Mermaids are trawling infant schools trying to pick up children to make them trans. It is ridiculous."

If you google 'mermaids stall with dog', the first hit is the photo they tweeted of their stall, a bowl of sweets and a dog.

web.archive.org/web/20190321112316/https:/twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1075776387791826944

Re: Gender recognition certificates

As far as I'm aware, Jackie Green doesn't have a GRC. So is still legally male.

Those links!

Mermaids did use puppies and sweeties to attract people (presumably children too) to their stall. Why lie?

Whilst Mermaids also accepted money from the makers of a lovely BDSM calendar. AWW. Everyone's fetish is brave, valid, blah blah.

Who is "they"? I think she's referring to the satirical parody account "Mermans".

It amazes me how prominent people will blatantly lie, deny or misrepresent the truth on social media when it's all there for everyone to see. When often, if you read far enough down the twitter thread or comments, people will have provided proof of that they did or said. I think they are just counting on the majority of people not reading that far.

This is what happens when the police (commendably) want to fix their institutional sexism, racism and homophobia problems, and do it in the worst possible way, by letting any random lobbyist off the street in to ‘train’ them.

Gah. Where was the governance? Where was the oversight? Could I start offering the PCs training on munchausens by proxy and vexatious repeat complainants? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t appear to be a barrier.

Yes, and what happens to the institutional sexism, racism and homophobia? Not a lot.

This is what happens when the police (commendably) want to fix their institutional sexism, racism and homophobia problems, and do it in the worst possible way, by letting any random lobbyist off the street in to ‘train’ them.

It may also be that for some within the Police their underlying sexism, homophobia and racism has some bearing on their unquestioning acceptance of translobbyists.

Well, quite.

After all that mind-numbing diversity training, here’s a fun speaker come to tell us about how men can do whatever they please, and telling women to shut up is an inclusive act.

There are also prominant TRAs who have influenced police policy from within the force as well as using their statis within the police to influence policy elsewhere
See impact by Sgt Gina Denham (now retired) on school policy:

www.transgendertrend.com/who-is-making-policy-for-schools/