All kicking off at Primark!

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6819195/Primark-sparks-changing-room-row.html

As the (currently) one poster comments, 'ridiculous'.

I would hope they have made a bit more effort that the flimsy half curtains in picture otherwise they will lose a lot of custom. It's impossible to have complete privacy and dignity with those kind of curtains even in sex segregated change rooms.

I'll await the first spy cam/ filming without consent in Primark change rooms that will inevitably result at some point.

There is an excellent use of photographs in that article that beautifully reinforce the issue.

Sadly, people will continue to shop at Primark because it is cheap.

Sadly, people will continue to shop at Primark because it is cheap.

Particularly popular with teenage girls.

As toddlers love whipping open curtains (other people's children have done to me whilst getting changed a several times), never mind that opportunists will seize the chance of spying on us and taking photos because the curtains often don't fully close anyway, I hope Primark will also replace all their changing rooms with floor to ceiling locking doors. I can't believe how naive people are about this, many men take any opportunity to spy on and taking illicit photos of women and think it's completely normal. I remember I'd just come out the bath once and was in a towel in the hall when I got a religious pamphlet through the door. The teenage boy putting through saw me so then propped my letterbox open so he could have a better look, FFS!

Particularly popular with teenage girls.

So is Topshop, another company targeted by tra.

As a mother of a teenage girl, this makes my blood boil.
How dare they?!

metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/

It doesn't appear that the type of door/curtain makes a difference.

Excellent use of photographs.

Brilliant sad face in that link! 😂

The poor men not being allowed to change with the teenage girls.

This gives me the rage.

Am I reading it wrong? It seems to me that they're adding some gender neutral changing rooms in addition to the male / female ones? I actually think that's a better solution than either letting self-identified "women" who are actually cross-dressing men use the ladies'?

I suppose is raises that question doesn't it, none of us can look at someone and know their intentions, look at them and know at what stage of transition they are at or whether they're just pretending to be a woman to get access to women/children.

So let me work this out. The 'non-gender' changing rooms will be for the trans people so the trans people WON'T be allowed to go into the Women's or Men's changing rooms? (The trans 'women' I mean). Surely they won't be happy with that?! Or will they? And presumably they've taken away women's only changing room spaces to make room for these ones! I wonder at what proportion, I didn't check to see if it said.

flossy that's what I was wondering

Flossie even...

Best not go to Primark then. Bound to get myself raped and the video put up on the internet.

Am I reading it wrong? It seems to me that they're adding some gender neutral changing rooms in addition to the male / female ones?

I don't think you are reading it wrong. Unless Primark are building new changing rooms - and I didn't see anything in the evidence to make me think they are - this means re-purposing existing changing rooms to "gender neutral". My guess is that it is women's changing rooms that will be sacrificed. And that they will be next to / mixed with women's changing rooms.

And if anyone thinks that individuals like the cheerful person in the photo are going to use the "gender neutral" changing rooms, they are very mistaken. To do so would not validate their identity.

To make a long story short: men will be using women's changing rooms.

Not only would I (and my teens) feel deeply uncomfortable getting changed where we could be seen by the opposite sex but my DH said he'd feel deeply uncomfortable about accidentaly seeing something he shouldn't.

He doesn't want to get changed around girls and women. Because he's not a creep. The people driving this are nuts!

You never see communal changing rooms any more. We all have to queue for a cubicle. I miss the communal spaces.

I can't wait to go the new local one! But I wouldn't be trying anything on in the changing rooms anyway - always try things on at home. I suppose having gender neutral rooms as well as male and female is OK. Not so good to have them all that way, though.

If you ignore the emotive excluded trans narrative, the facts are clear that unisex places are less safe for women.
So, places that are trying to do 'the right thing's are putting women at greater risk than they were before.

the facts are clear that unisex places are less safe for women.

Men's hurtz feelz will always come first.

I don't use changing rooms anyway they're minging usually or full of stock/ hangers.
My dd has never used them either, try on at home and take back to exchange if they don't fit.

Do women even have a choice on these things anymore?

I'd be totally fine with it. I hated the communal ones - awful. Ideally they'd have lockable doors but it wouldn't bother me either way.