All kicking off at Primark!

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6819195/Primark-sparks-changing-room-row.html

As the (currently) one poster comments, 'ridiculous'.

Doesn't bother me either. Lots of irrational hysteria on here about transpeople.

This is not transphobia.
Making spaces gender neutral or unisex makes women more at risk from predatory men.

Lots of irrational hysteria on here about transpeople.

Oh look, there’s that word again...

Staggering the number of new people around today saying 'nothing to look at here'.

And how lovely you're not affected. May I introduce you to this concept of other people?

Tomtontom the ‘hysteria’ isn’t about transpeople. The issue here is about MEN who will use the fact they can look like a man but say they are a woman to COME AND PREY on women/teenage girls.

The problem is about MEN and men’s violence.

Ffs. They need to make the men’s gender neutral. But that never bloody happens.

"Woman" my arse

i dont tend to use changing rooms alot but definitely wont now-heard about this the other day just nonsense

Staggering the number of new people around today saying 'nothing to look at here'.

Yep. With a side dish of "oh, it wouldn't bother me" virtue-signalling.

This is not going to go well for stores. It will increase the number of online sales as your own home becomes by far the most comfortable place to try on clothes. That means the number of returns will increase too, which are already impacting heavily on profits.
I always felt it was taking the piss to do the 'ordering in three sizes' thing, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it to stores that made shopping there unpleasant for me.

It's not really about genuine trans people though - it's about the fact that any man can just walk into a changing room where women and girls are undressing and claim he has the right to be there and no one can challenge this or object. I'm surprised there are people who can't see potential issues with this.
In all honesty I wouldn't object to a fully transitioned tw using women's changing rooms and in the past most of us would have been sympathetic to their difficulties going about their daily lives and not objected. But it's different when a man only had to say he's a woman to get access to female spaces .

It’s all very well saying YOU are comfortable with shared changing spaces, you are probably not naive and would call someone out if you saw anything untoward, the issue arises with people/teenagers who are vulnerable and naive to the horrors of the world and would feel to embarrassed to pull someone up if they assaulted or took photos etc of them.

On the other hand warning said vulnerable people would make them fearful to enter changing rooms etc, how is that fair? It isn’t obviously but even warning people to be on their guard and speak out these days is classed as transphobic 🙄

Urban Outfitters have gender neutral changing rooms and have done for a while.

I’m not really bothered, each booth has a curtain?

I don’t use a changingroom anyway, if I’m buying a top for £3 it’s not worth the hassle trying it on.

I do use the changing rooms because I don't have time to drive into the city again just to take stuff back.

Earlier today I was trying on clothes in River Island. There was a flimsy curtain and it was pretty deserted. If a male had been in there too I would have felt extremely uncomfortable and vulnerable and I am far from being a teenage girl.

No, we're not being hysterical and I feel extra protective towards any female who's been abused by a male. I can see how they could feel.

How does this benefit the many females who use these spaces? Don't our needs matter?

new on this board so ready to be educated, i might have been living in a cave but i hear very little about women identifying as men and using men only areas. as usual women are expected to be accepting and compliant to the male of the species.
it seems that men don't like the fact women are becoming equal in so many areas, they are trying to take back control.

H&M have had mixed changing rooms for years, yes they have doors not curtains but surely it's just the same? People still use them.

Logic dictates that if a minority of males are asking for a changing room other than the Male changing room that means a minority of the existing Male changing rooms aren’t required and so can be changed to “self identified changing”. So fine. Take a couple of the Male booths and make them “free for whoever fancies using them”. Leave the female changing as is. Females aren’t asking to have fewer female changing rooms.

FFS.

Yes, plenty of businesses have mixed sex changing. That's why there's loads of voyeurism videos online and a market for hidden cameras.

Sheesh.

What is a genuine transperson, and how are we to know which transpeople are genuine and which are not?

Where is the line, exactly, that separates the genuine from the not-genuine? And who are the people who has decided, or will decide, where that line lies?

This isn't an issue of gender, it's an issue of power.

ilove shops won't do that because the 'identifying as a woman' brigade will complain they are a woman today so need the female space.

I wouldn't mind, but I don't like flimsy curtains on changing cubicles: I always feel like they're going to waft open when I'm in a state of undress.

A lot of the shops in my town have gender neutral changing facilities because they're small shops, so not room for big banks. A lot of the shops only have one booth, and our swimming pool only has a mixed changing room so it's not that far out of the way, and I'll admit I've not felt threatened of venerable using them. That being said, these have doors, not daft ill fitting curtains.

Our of interest (genuinely asking, not trying to be a goady fucker), do the people who feel uncomfortable about using mixed changing facilities feel that way because of the way the facilities are set out? Would you feel okay sharing the cubicles if they had proper doors on?

Cos have a mixed area of individual changing cubicles and always have done, this looks like the same idea?

Another reason not to shop at Primark. You could always use the changing room of your choice too - in another shop.