Child with Asperger’s taken into care, parents won’t give hormones

[JessicaWakefieldSVH]

This is another article about a child given a child protection order, because his parents wouldn’t allow him to take hormones as advised by the NHS clinic. This is really scary to me as I have a teen with late diagnosis of ASD who also self harmed and is gender non-conforming. Thankfully I had raised her to fight strongly against gender stereotypes and she has never had any issues around her sex or ‘gender identity’, but teachers have sent her to the doctor without telling me before because they saw her ritualistic eating and assumed she had an eating disorder. I feel so sorry for these parents. Imagine being told by your school, your kid isn’t coming home because you won’t give him hormones and let him change his sex- at 15!!

Having the autism assessment really opened my eyes to how little people, including professionals, understand it. How many autistic children are going to be sterilised due to this? Is anyone else worried??

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6817935/Autistic-boy-taken-care-school-reports-parents-refusing-allow-sex-change-treatment.html

Sorry don’t know how to do clicky links in the main post:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6817935/Autistic-boy-taken-care-school-reports-parents-refusing-allow-sex-change-treatment.html

This is shocking. I have a ds who has aspergers and has just turned 16.
Thankfully he doesn't have an issues with his sex/gender but the thought that this could and has happened makes me sad.

I agree, my dd has ASD. During the assessment they asked us if she identified as female.

During the assessment they asked us if she identified as female.

Oh my god. They didn’t ask us that! They didn’t ask our DD either- I asked her. She is very GC and really hates that children with autism are caught up in this. She has a group of friends also with autism and all of them are really angry about all this. It’s true they’re all pretty gender non conforming, all of them. My daughter does dress up feminine too. But mostly wears things from the men’s section. I dressed her in both boys and girls clothes since she was born, thinking I was doing a good thing for her, to think it could of meant she was wrongfully assumed gender dysphoric is horrible. I’m just so glad we are a close family and she and I have always talked about stuff. This is so worrying for other families though.

"During the assessment they asked us if she identified as female."

Oh shit, we're really screwed aren't we? They've completely drank in the ideology and now present it as factual to people who take facts seriously, rather than as something which can be changed on a political whim.

Autistic children have no chance.

Wtaf?

I'm scared now. Really scared.

I also note that Leeds is involved again.

I am so scared for autistic children and young lesbians at the moment. From my lots and lots of experience in the autistic community (as an autistic person) I can say that most autistic adults are either trans or gender critical. Tend to be at two extremes.

This is because we do not absorb a lot of the social information about sex stereotypes so can be convinced as kids (or as adults) that non-conforming means we are not our sex. We already feel different from everybody, especially our same-sex peers, so this is easy to believe in many ways.

The alternative is when we get good, strong, logical messages to counter this and to tell us that we are actually the vanguard in breaking down sex-stereotypes which is a Good Thing. That our function in this world is to challenge cultural binds which hold people in their gendered place.

Unfortunately, there are modern trans activists who are getting to kids (and some adults) first, like with this poor kid in the article, and convincing them non-conforming is not a gift of autism but a sign that their bodies are wrong. It's abusive and sickening. I wish I was in a position to make positive videos or articles for autsitic young people which counter this narrative.

That young lesbians tend to fall into either "can" (but, as with autistic youth, increasingly the trans one..) is a very similar issue. You grow up thinking "I'm different to the other girls" and this can easily be targeted as actually being not just different and non-conforming, but to actually being different, fundamentally, to other females. We aren't.

Again, lesbians have always been at the vanguard of questioning sex-baaed stereotypes. We should be raising young LB women to be proud of this. Instead modern trans movement gets in there and convinces them they have always felt different because they are in fact boys. It is so regressive and heterosexist!

This is a call out to all those who are autistic, les/bian or who love those who are - let's talk louder about autism and lesbianism as a gift which helps everybody to question patriarchal cultural assumptions. Let's build up our youth not allow them to be abused, confused, and broken down.

My dd is only 6 and finds the girl/boy obsession hard. Her older brother happily says there are no such things as girls toys or boys toys, or clothes or colours. But she is genuinely confused because she sees labels, hears stuff at school and obviously she prefers black and white definitions.

"camp"

IntentsAndPorpoises

Was that an NHS CAMHS assessment? Ours was private, paid for by school because we had waited 6 years on the NHS. I wonder if that has something to do with us not being asked that???

It's abusive and sickening

^ this. 100%

Spot on, SocFem19. Very good post indeed.

I'm scared now. Really scared.

Yup. We were so scared learning that Karen White had abused an autistic teen girl while on a mental health ward, that if our DD got any worse after a big crisis they’d put her somewhere and something like that would happen. It’s made me afraid of our own health service. We probably dealt with too much of it on our own, for fear of the professionals.

This fucking sucks

This is the final straw for me, I'm pulling my very gender conforming autistic daughter from any lessons about 'gender'.

I'll share with the chair of the local autistic group as well.

I wonder if the NAS will have anything at all to say, considering they still include a mermaids link on their website. I’m so sick of people ignoring what’s really going on.

I am convinced there must be a lot more to these cases than just the gender identity issue.

@SocFem19 if you are on Twitter you should post that as a thread.

How the fuck does the fact they are asking in an autism assessment not show them that GNC and identity issues can be a symptom of, oh let me think, AUTISM! Fucksake. Surely the very fact that it is markedly more common among those with ASD shows that it is an issue with identity, or are people really thinking autism is magically related to being born with the wrong genitals?

This makes me SO angry. I am autistic, not diagnosed until adulthood. I pretended to be a boy throughout primary school. I’m so glad my parents saw it as a harmless phase. I also thought I was George from the famous five.

I HE my autistic kids for unrelated reasons, but shit like this makes me more and more glad I do :( although there are plenty of trans ideology fans in the HE community of course, they are easier to avoid. I’m also relieved that DD is fairly feminine in many ways, simply because it makes it unlikely that anyone will tell her she must be a boy.

This is another article about a child given a child protection order,

No it isn't. No orders were made. It is really important that people are accurate about this.

Orders mean a decision by a court, with parents and child all represented by lawyers.

What happened here was the school and social services making protection plans and somehow convincing the parents to agree to sending the child to stay elsewhere.

Had they refused, nothing would have happened without a court process,

This is not new, as in having ASD and looking at ways to understand and find a place in the world. My DB spent 10 ears questioning his sexuality hoping the being on the outside to the world feeling would disappear when he found the real him. It was accepting autism and that was the reason he felt like an alien visiting earth did he realise no answer could be found in his sexuality. The Autism would always be there and he was gay and autistic and they were not linked. He would of took medication and questioned his gender if he believed he would feel normal after. His teenage years were a quest for normality.

It’s made me afraid of our own health service.

I'd be fucking terrified of it if I had a child on the spectrum or was otherwise vulnerable to suggestion. Not sure I'd be any happier with the school system as things stand.

I honestly do not know what to say.

How long and how hard is it to even get some kind if assessment for children who have special needs. And yet one comment about gender sparks this chain of events?

Wtf

Sorry for using the wrong term, I don’t know the difference between a child protection order and child protection plan

A month later, the local authority placed him in a child protection plan

Please be gentle when others are confused in areas they’re not well versed in.

What was "ungentle" about what I said?

Should I have put a sparkly bow on it to be clear I was "being nice"?

GerryblewuptheER

I know. Despite our GP identifying autistic traits when our child was young, she was 17 by the time she had an assessment and it was privately sought as NHS were still not giving us a referral. We have been offered no assistance, no CBT despite a psychiatrist recommendation, and the school are still expecting an awful lot from her without any kind of adjustments. If she had identified as Male, she’d have had immediate referral to Tavistock. It’s weird and frustrating.