Child with Asperger’s taken into care, parents won’t give hormones

[JessicaWakefieldSVH]

This is another article about a child given a child protection order, because his parents wouldn’t allow him to take hormones as advised by the NHS clinic. This is really scary to me as I have a teen with late diagnosis of ASD who also self harmed and is gender non-conforming. Thankfully I had raised her to fight strongly against gender stereotypes and she has never had any issues around her sex or ‘gender identity’, but teachers have sent her to the doctor without telling me before because they saw her ritualistic eating and assumed she had an eating disorder. I feel so sorry for these parents. Imagine being told by your school, your kid isn’t coming home because you won’t give him hormones and let him change his sex- at 15!!

Having the autism assessment really opened my eyes to how little people, including professionals, understand it. How many autistic children are going to be sterilised due to this? Is anyone else worried??

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6817935/Autistic-boy-taken-care-school-reports-parents-refusing-allow-sex-change-treatment.html

I also thought I was George from the famous five
Omg, me too! High five!

Where did this come from?

People who sought miw illegal surgery on their under18 child.

People who have been.investigated by outside agencies and found to have no concept of safe guarding.

Now illegal

I think with autism adopting a character persona as a mask is very common.

ditto66 I am not on twitter, but I really don't mind somebody else making a thread out of it. If you or anybody else here is on Twitter then please feel free to just copy and paste. (Please could you replace my typo that I corrected underneath it if you do?)

I was talking with mum who said she's monitoring her DD internet use (pm etc), she was struggling with this being an invasion of privacy (like someone reading a diary) but her DD is autistic, vulnerable and impressionable. She was genuinely extremely worried.... and with bloody good reason.

I told her to watch like a hawk.

My friends an autism advisor and she's now got 5 transboy's on her books. A few years ago she had non. Those poor poor children. Why aren't the authorities protecting them? This is a huge scandal happening right here, right now.

with autism adopting a character persona as a mask is very common true for lots of autistic people as a coping strategy to deal with the unpleasantness of the sensory, physical world.

But also autistic people genuinely don't "get" gender from a young age. Why would your genitals determine anything about you? It's not logical. We realise others think it is normal to do this, we feel "different". We are then very susceptible to being told that something about us must be wrong because we can't understand this "social game", rather than just that we are very, very right and social rules are seeped in patriarchal nonsense (which we have correctly called out for the BS it is).

Why aren't the authorities protecting them?

I suspect it's because the "treatment" they will be put on will stop them being able to reproduce.
I wouldn't put it passed those in power to be using this as a way to "thin out" undesirables.

Beautifully articulated @SocFem19

I think with autism adopting a character persona as a mask is very common.

Yes, possibly more amongst girls? I’m not expert and I’m not autistic so apologies if I’m overstepping. My husband has autism also, Asperger’s. From what I’ve read, listened to ( Asperger’s Girl on YouTube was helpful to us ) I think girls generally role play more, and a lot of girls on the spectrum like drama. My own DD is an actress and says she likes taking on another person as it gives her a break. She can shut off herself completely, including most of the sensory issues and not be ‘ the girl with autism ‘ for a while.

I have a friend who currently identifies as 80% male 20% female. And has changed her name. She was born female. She is also on the spectrum. She is nearly 30 and this is a recent thing in the last 2/3 years. She has cut herself off from her family because they are struggling with this new identity. Instead she gets all her support and validation from Twitter and Instagram and her new boyfriend. Her parents are really upset and a lot of her friends are distancing themselves. I'm new to all of this is there a link between trans and autism? I don't really understand why she can't just not confirm to gender stereotypes rather than changing her entire identity. It's all very confusing.

I suspect it's because the "treatment" they will be put on will stop them being able to reproduce.I wouldn't put it passed those in power to be using this as a way to "thin out" undesirables

And of course if children can consent to treatment that renders them infertile with reduced IQ then what else can they consent to and who would that benefit.....

But also autistic people genuinely don't "get" gender from a young age.

Yup. My DD didn’t think at any stage I was ‘dressing her in boys clothes’, nor since, but her friends now look at her childhood photos and always point it out. It wasn’t exclusively masculine stuff, she had plenty of both. But people only point out when she doesn’t look ‘girly’. She just thinks gender is ‘illogical’ in her words.

She just thinks gender is ‘illogical’
Entirely correct. Strong autistic girls like this should be being listened to more. In feminism, by peers, and by government officials.
Not all girls with swallow the koolaod, and there is so much hope in autistic girls because they are more able that most to see clearly that the emperor is not wearing clothes. Just as soon as society and trans activists stop telling them that there is something wrong with them.

In some ways the discourse around autism being a lesser, less desireable way of being sets autistic children up to think that their very correct ways of seeing the world - unfiltered by social expectations - is wrong and is pathological when of course, it's not.

This is fertile soil for ideas to grow that an autistic child must doubt all of her or his natural non-conforming and take on a belief that they are wrong bodied, wrong minded, fundamentally different from other humans in some way.

It was a private assessment at The Lorna Wing Centre for Autism, which is run by NAS. They do NHS assessments too.

In all other ways they were excellent and experts in girls with autism.

Strong autistic girls like this should be being listened to more. In feminism, by peers, and by government officials.

I wish that would happen. But her school, girls school, allows children to self identify and the feminist group is very pro-trans and anti- GC feminists- to the point they used Samoan culture in some of their social media as an example of how backward western culture is around transgenderism. When I informed them that fa’afaine has its roots is misogyny, that many older gay Samoan men are traumatised by being transed as children because their culture doesn’t accept homosexuality, they blocked me, a parent! I privately messaged elsewhere and gave them a long speech about cultural appropriation and whitewashing, they did apologise. But that’s one example of how ingrained this thinking is. When I go to school there are posters about ‘sisters not cisters’ Etc

IntentsAndPorpoises thank you. That’s shocking then. We used Effra Clinic. I found the process hard and our DD thought it was clear neuro typicals had devised the assessment, but I guess that is fairly typical. But never once did they discuss with us or her, gender identity.

I suspect it's because the "treatment" they will be put on will stop them being able to reproduce.
I wouldn't put it passed those in power to be using this as a way to "thin out" undesirables

That's exactly what I've been thinking for a while.

feminist group is very pro-trans and anti- GC feminists sadly this is now the norm where I am too. I would love it if we could develop new feminist spaces to give voice to these kids and their parents. I know they keep being shut down by trans activists though. Maybe if we set something up that is for autistic (plus carers where appropriate e.g. for age of disability) and gender critical only. Do not say it is a "women's space" or whatever because that gets a pile on. Plus, there's lots of GC men and women and it's good to work togetehr. Then if people attack it they are attacking an autistic space not a women's one. I betcha they wouldn't attack so hard, because people associate autism with men.. Ha (working that one to our advantage finally...).

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But also autistic people genuinely don't "get" gender from a young age.

Eh? I am autistic and that sentence does not represent my thinking at all. You cannot generalise about autistics' thinking about gender any more than you can generalise about neurotypicals' thinking about gender.

is there a link between trans and autism?

No. No, there is not.

I am autistic and that sentence does not represent my thinking at all.
So what is gender? And what did you think about gender as a child?

Hurrah, a fellow george :o

Interestingly DD identifies most as Percy Jackson. Make of that what you will!

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223803/