Child with Asperger’s taken into care, parents won’t give hormones

[JessicaWakefieldSVH]

This is another article about a child given a child protection order, because his parents wouldn’t allow him to take hormones as advised by the NHS clinic. This is really scary to me as I have a teen with late diagnosis of ASD who also self harmed and is gender non-conforming. Thankfully I had raised her to fight strongly against gender stereotypes and she has never had any issues around her sex or ‘gender identity’, but teachers have sent her to the doctor without telling me before because they saw her ritualistic eating and assumed she had an eating disorder. I feel so sorry for these parents. Imagine being told by your school, your kid isn’t coming home because you won’t give him hormones and let him change his sex- at 15!!

Having the autism assessment really opened my eyes to how little people, including professionals, understand it. How many autistic children are going to be sterilised due to this? Is anyone else worried??

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6817935/Autistic-boy-taken-care-school-reports-parents-refusing-allow-sex-change-treatment.html

Would you say as a "family law solicitor", you would recognise it?
or would you say that it isn't your place?

My word, this is quite the cross examination.

I have worked for victims of domestic abuse for more than 20 years, so yes, I have a vague grasp of coercion.

With the facts that we know, would you as a "family law solicitor" say that the school in this case, based on what is written, if it happened as printed, has used coercion?

would you say that it isn't your place?

Are you familiar with straw men?

my DS is autistic. He has lots of obsessions about different disorders, and reads up constantly on them online and in forums/chat groups.

He wanted to get a circumcision. The operation was booked. We cancelled it on the basis that it wouldn't help him, and he could do it later. No questions were asked.

It is alarming that it would be easier to get a sex change.

My word, this is quite the cross examination.
Fun isn't it.
You shouldn't have said you were a law solicitor, i wouldn't have started pretending to be Matlock.

Are you familiar with straw men?

I take it you won't answer my question as the answer would be yes.

We don't know the facts. We have the Daily Mail's mangling of what the aggrieved parents say other people said.

I know you think you have a killer point in there somewhere. Why not just make it?

I really don't think people are reading my posts properly. I don't expect everyone to have an understanding of family law and the way children's services work - I've tried to explain but clearly not well enough.

Anyway on further reading it seems that 'local authority takes child into care because parents won't trans them' is a false headline of daily mail proportions since this child didn't even go into care so
I'm not sure what the agenda is of posters who are insisting that this happens with no evidence and against everything that professionals are telling them about how the system works.

I know you think you have a killer point in there somewhere. Why not just make it?

What point do you think i have?

Because i'm honestly just pretending to be Matlock.

a teacher told his parents that they should find alternative accommodation for their son or else he would be put into temporary foster care

Teachers can and do say the most extraordinarily wrong things to parents about how social services work and what they will and won't do.

I'm guessing you don't have much experiance of talking with autistic adults MrsBertBibby, i jump around things like this all the time, on loads of threads.

Although if you think i have a killer point, I'd be interested in hearing it?

Well I generally give my autistic clients the courtesy of not assuming that because I have met one autistic person, I understand them all.

But as it goes, I have acted for a fair few adults with diagnoses, many parents of autistic kids, and I even have an autistic step son, so I have a fair grasp of how autistic kids might come to locate their feelings of difference in their ideas of gender.

To be fair, Blew, teachers are not alone in this! Although they really should know better.

No Captain, I have fuck all idea where you think any of this goes.

If you actually read the article, you will see that this child was NOT "taken into care".

No, they were warned he would be.

Do either of the posters commenting with ‘we don’t know all the facts’, ‘this would never happen’ etc acknowledge that scared parents might be coerced into sending their child away, into the care of a friend, in order to avoid the possibility of him being taken into foster care officially? Either way their child was removed from home because he didn’t get what he wanted: hormones. Have you read the recently released reports on Tavistock and concerns from those working there re coercion and fear of being labelled transphobic?

I understand the need to be careful about having firm ideas based solely on the parents story, but I find the complete dismissal of it concerning. Particularly as it’s not clear if either of you have any kind of involvement or experience with autism or families of autistic children.

, I have acted for a fair few adults with diagnoses, many parents of autistic kids, and I even have an autistic step son, so I have a fair grasp of how autistic kids might come to locate their feelings of difference in their ideas of gender.

Thanks for that. I made my other comment before seeing this.

Well I generally give my autistic clients the courtesy of not assuming that because I have met one autistic person, I understand them all.

That’s great, most people with autism appreciate that. Although it’s also fair to say that there are common traits, otherwise nobody would be able to identify autism at all.

who are insisting that this happens with no evidence and against everything that professionals are telling them about how the system works.

So just to be clear. The threat this will happen, is really the focus here I believe. The child was removed from their home, agreed upon under duress. Regarding professionals and ‘how the system works’, try and understand that families dealing with ‘professionals’ in this area have often had bad experiences, and many of us also have no faith in the system working as it should all of the time. Indeed we could give examples of where it has failed. So I don’t think it’s fair to give the impression that any concerns about this case or any other, are unfounded hysterical reactions to daily mail sensationalist headlines.

No Captain, I have fuck all idea where you think any of this goes.

I don't think it goes anywhere, i was pretending to be Matlock.
Not everything has a point, somethings are just fun to do.
You said you were a "law solicitor" so i started giving you a cross examination in the style of an old TV attorney from the 80's.

That's literally the point. It was fun.

I am not dismissing their story, I am saying it is far from clear what the situation is.

The alleged advice to send the child elsewhere strongly suggests to me that the relationship with the child had deteriorated to the extent that there were concerns about the child's safety at home (I mean risks of absconding etc). The child staying at a friend's wouldn't solve the issue of hormone treatment : that would be a matter for the court. So it wouldn't be a question of spiriting the child away to facilitate treatment behind the parents' backs.

It's clear from the article that the child is back home and the plan discharged, so it sounds as if things are more settled which is great. It seems unlikely that treatment took place, as I imagine the parents would have said.

Given the overt grooming of children that is happening and the clear stance of trans organisations telling schools that they can transition children without parental knowledge / consent it is imperative that all parents are on 'high alert'. And if it is uncomfortable for professionals when 'politically incorrect' news sources publish GC articles or when people 'misuse' some of the complex safeguarding language, that is of minor importance.
Children in and out of schools have been specifically targeted by adult lobby groups and we are seeing a catastrophic impact with them being medically experimented on and encouraged to make life altering decisions that would not be allowed for any other group.
This alone should have every responsible adult standing up and shouting no and I have limited interest in nit picking while the abuse of children gathers apace.

I totally agree Jessica. The feeling that you can't trust the experts has left me feeling shaken.

Being told "that never happens" just isn't reassuring at all in the current climate - things are changing so fast and the way schools and other services are embracing this ideology feels almost surreal. That and the fact that political influences somehow trump the science and the facts and the common sense.

Thankfully you weren't a grave digger or i would have started putting lines from the monster mash into my replies.

I for one am reading what Borset and Bert are saying and taking note and being cautious.

But I’m still concerned about this and I’m sure they are too