Joan McAlpine MSP now asks about how Police record transgender criminals

[WinnieHug]

In the Scottish Parliament today Joan McAlpine MSP asked the Scottish Justice Secretary whether Police Scotland and the Scottish Court Services record incidents according to the alleged perpetrator's birth sex of self-declaration.

The Justice Secretary confirmed that Police Scotland and the court and tribunal services do indeed record suspects according to their self-identified gender and that Police Scotland require no evidence of certification as proof of gender other than a person's self declaration.

Good for Joan. Not good for Police Scotland.
I'll put up a link to footage when I get one.

twitter.com/UpIander/status/1105843659587637249

no evidence of certification as proof of gender other than a person's self declaration.

It's as if self id is law already.

I bloody love Joan.

Well done Joan.

The wry smile as he says that no one would self identify to commit crime and other excuses - yeah, she's ready to give him names and incident reports.

His argument appears to be somewhere between it being so few it makes no real difference (yes, it does to women, it does to reality and facts), and that being trans is somehow incompatible with committing violent or sexual crime. Which we know is not only obvious and multiply proven bollocks but also unhelpful and a bit insulting really to the trans community.

Would love to see that episode of Roberta C Nesbit:

"Oh, aye, ahm a lassie..."

And he's quite blase about it. Don't see a man loosing sleep over it.

if it's not important, why do we record sex at all in relation to crime?

If people can muddy the waters by making up any old bollocks, then what's the point?

That the complacency of being on the right side of history. Don't think about anything, don't investigate to ensure your measures are justified, just sit back and wait for history to apply to red-hot burning brand "bigot" onto the hide of your opponents.

Fucking hell. It's wheel, after wheel being reinvented.

What next, the denial of fire?

Recording crimes according to self-ID means this will be recorded as a female crime. why are our police and court services ok about this?

www.scotsman.com/news/female-spaces-need-better-protection-after-trans-woman-sex-assault-on-girl-say-campaigners-1-4868945

On a lighter note, did anyone else snigger at the phrase "reassure the member?"

Joan is on fire!

In a good way, not in a ‘die in a fire t**f scum’ way.

FFS I mean why record anything then? Why have any facts in relation to crime stats? Time of incident, location, nature of crime, I mean it’s all subjective and dependent on how you want to ‘self declare’ it right?

I had a long discussion with my MSP about this - he’s an x JS & looked like this when police Scotland confirmed they record whatever people tell them along with a whole woke bit of nonsense about recording other identities that m/f in text boxes if possible (depending on system used)

Joan

Well done Joan.

The London metropolitan police have been recording perpetrators of crimes by their self identified gender since 2009.

That's before the Equality Act existed.
Before 'proposed gender reassignment' was a protected characteristic. Yet, the police recorded male criminals as female at their request.

That's a lot of false crime statistics. An entire decade.

God, this makes me angry - muddying crime stats and recording male violence in the women’s stats is totally unacceptable. Let’s record birth sex and gender separately, as has been proposed for the census. No doubt the TRAs will bleat on about the injustice of it, but we’ll have a much clearer picture of emerging trends (which is why TRAs will fight it tooth & nail, of course).

Oh, and a huge thank you to Joan.

And yet the papers have been asking for a number of years “why have women got so violent?”

The London metropolitan police have been recording perpetrators of crimes by their self identified gender since 2009.

Wtf on what justification?

Wtf on what justification

It's interesting isn't it the amount of organisations who are choosing to be "ahead of the law" on this - is it really just GIRES et al doing the advising?

Or indeed types of crime Humbert. I may have committed my crime with a knife but I want to declare it as having been committed by a gun. Why can't I do that?

I've said it before and I'll say it again,

McAlpine for First Minister.

Thank you again Joan-as I feel change of gender (as well as name) can be a way of hiding tracks (e.g. paedophilia & sex assaults/rape) by those who we need to know are offenders, in our communities. There is a huge safeguarding issue if men can use this as camouflage.
There also needs to be more studies into how many Transwomen commit male patterned crime, in Scotland, before any further change to GRA which means even more male bodied people may access women only services/jobs etc.

FFS I mean why record anything then? Why have any facts in relation to crime stats? Time of incident, location, nature of crime, I mean it’s all subjective and dependent on how you want to ‘self declare’ it right?

If they can select what sex they are, why not let them make up everything else about their identity? Name, age, nationality...

It’s just a new take on “Lies, damned lies, and statistics”.