Joan McAlpine MSP now asks about how Police record transgender criminals

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In the Scottish Parliament today Joan McAlpine MSP asked the Scottish Justice Secretary whether Police Scotland and the Scottish Court Services record incidents according to the alleged perpetrator's birth sex of self-declaration.

The Justice Secretary confirmed that Police Scotland and the court and tribunal services do indeed record suspects according to their self-identified gender and that Police Scotland require no evidence of certification as proof of gender other than a person's self declaration.

Good for Joan. Not good for Police Scotland.
I'll put up a link to footage when I get one.

I am a GC police officer. Back in November I wrote to the British Association of Women in Policing regarding trans search policies and crime stats.

They obviously found themselves on the spot, soiled themselves copiously and just forwarded it on to the lead for bloody Trans issues, an ACC in Merseyside.
Her staff officer wrote to me and said:

"With the issue over crime recording, again discussed in the call with Fair Play for Women, we have responded to numerous media enquiries via NPCC that if someone presents in custody and says they are female, they should be recorded as female, unless they are quite obviously not – and by that I mean something like a stag night where a group of men are dressed as women who quite clearly are not women and one gets arrested. The numbers would be so low that the likelihood of skewing any figures is negligible."

So basically they don't give a shit about huge spikes in stats for women comitting rape and sexual assault, because as it stands women cannot rape (due to legal definition) but with self ID there will inevitably be rises (from zero).

Fuckers.

I identify as non-DNA so if ever I commit a crime and there’s forensics matching my DNA at the crime scene it’s not me. DNA is actually quite prejudiced in determining who has committed a crime and I think it should be made more inclusive going forward.

Amazing work Joan, please keep it up. I’d be interested to know if she actually does meet with Humza Yousaf or it was just all bluster from him

should be recorded as female, unless they are quite obviously not – and by that I mean something like a stag night where a group of men are dressed as women who quite clearly are not women and one gets arrested.

What?? That was there official response to a serious question about crime statistics?

Their definition of woman is anyone who says they are and is not on a stag do?

Absofuckingunbelievable

Thank you again Joan-as I feel change of gender (as well as name) can be a way of hiding tracks (e.g. paedophilia & sex assaults/rape) by those who we need to know are offenders, in our communities. There is a huge safeguarding issue if men can use this as camouflage.
There also needs to be more studies into how many Transwomen commit male patterned crime, in Scotland, before any further change to GRA which means even more male bodied people may access women only services/jobs etc
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Richard Garside, director of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies, said: “I’m glad the justice secretary is open to learning more. It’s really important that crime statistics are based on objective criteria, independent of the persons subjective views and feelings. Classifying according to birth sex, rather than subjective feelings about the self, should therefore be the norm. Asking about gender identity alongside classifying by birth sex might be the best compromise. It would also offer useful additional information to help us understand patterns of offending."
Lisa Mackenzie, of analysis group MurrayBlackburnMackenzie, added: "It is very rare for women to commit certain offences, such as sexual and serious violent crimes. "Recording based on self-declared gender identity in such cases risks skewing official statistics, damaging our ability to properly document, analyse and understand such behaviours. "The introduction of unregulated self-identification principles into the criminal justice system deserves proper democratic debate and oversight, and the Scottish Government should share any analysis on which it is basing its view that the impact of this change will not be significant."
www.scotsman.com/news/politics/criminal-suspects-able-to-self-identify-gender-1-4889040

*Well done Joan.

The London metropolitan police have been recording perpetrators of crimes by their self identified gender since 2009.

That's before the Equality Act existed.
Before 'proposed gender reassignment' was a protected characteristic. Yet, the police recorded male criminals as female at their request.

That's a lot of false crime statistics. An entire decade.*

I assume this is what’s behind a lot of the ‘women do it to’ and the starting to warn on child protection training about how many offenders are female.

Complete and utter cunts.

I just can't fathom how he could keep a straight face whilst saying they record gender by self-id. Presumably police don't just accept name, address, age without question? Why is it only with sex that it doesn't matter if the data recorded is true or not?

Presumably police don't just accept name, address, age without question

I also believe that the police are known to disregard a suspects self identification of not guilty. Bigots.

What happens if someone who is on a stag do also identifies as a woman? Obviously it's possible given that all you have to do is say so

The Polis are erasing women's identity?

'The Leith Police dis-miss-ith us?'

Apparently you can self-id if you just happen to put on some lippy. Some of these people don’t even bother with that

Article in The Scotsman

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/criminal-suspects-able-to-self-identify-gender-1-4889040

"Mr Yousaf said there was no pattern of men self-identifying as women “to either commit sexual offences or indeed to manipulate statistics”. But he said he was willing to look at the issue in more detail".

How do you know there is no pattern? If you are not capturing data that allows you to identify a pattern?

Richard Garside on Twitter:

twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1105904699193131008

"Classifying according to birth sex, rather than subjective feelings about the self, should be the norm. Otherwise, you end up mystifying the key factor in crime and victimisation".

Mr Yousaf should realise that the statistics are being manipulated by the PEOPLE RECORDING IT.

There is a pattern of men who are self IDing commiting crime but it is not being RECORDED.

It's not about IDing TO. It's about what you are RECORDING.

Yes when you're brought into custody unless you have ID which obviously contradicts what you say, your name address DoB are listed as the detainee gives.
You get well known repeat offenders with reams of aliases because when they're brought in to custody (before they're fingerprinted) they give any old name.

I'm so dispirited with policing right now.
Thankfully I work for a very feminist (and lovely) high ranking officer who has asked me to work with her on a 'gender' working group (yes I've already told her the difference between sex and gender).

Sorry you are feeling down, Dontbuy.

Feels like the police service generally has taken the view that any issues that female officers face must go to the Trans lead for adjudication.

So the issue of female officers being forced to search male suspects for example is not something that women should be able to raise, discuss and come to a resolution.

On the contrary, the issue will be passed to the Trans lead to deliver a verdict on it. And the verdict will always be that whatever a male person wants is always more important than what a female person wants.

It is all very Gilead.

Joan McAlpine
@JoanMcAlpine
THREAD Following my justice question today, I am grateful that
@HumzaYousaf
has offered to meet criminologists concerned that crime is recorded according to the "self identified" gender of the perpetrator.

mobile.twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1105945831205687296

It's not just about statistics either - what about the poor female police officers who are required to search these men identifying as women?

I identify as a cat. Does this mean I can wee in public and this is no longer an offense? They can't arrest a cat for peeing 🤷‍♀️

How did all these trans influencers get so close to the Ministry of Justice that they could persuade them that any man who identifies as a woman must be treated as such? I know it's a naive question but the evidence is so compelling as to why it's a crap idea (given that the MoJ deals repeatedly with paedophiles and sex offenders) yet somehow they all nodded and agreed it was a cracking idea for sex offenders to be imprisoned with women. I still find it unbelievable.

Bloody hell, DontBuyANewMumCashmere. I can’t believe they sent your query to the siding trans officer to answer.

The policing news that shocked me was seeing the guidance on a local force site (provided by Stonewall, I think) that said that “non binary” officers could get their warrant cards issued in two gender identities, so they could use whichever identity they were feeling on the day. I mean bloody hell - what kind of message does that send out?!

Took a lot of talking to two WPCs in Wolves to persuade them this was actually happening computer. Could be that Wolves has joined the brigade by now.

tries v. v. hard not to be arrested, accepts free thought is a crime now

The London metropolitan police have been recording perpetrators of crimes by their self identified gender since 2009.
The fucking, fucketing, fuckety fuckers.
Fuck them to fuck.
This has made me cross.

It's not just about statistics either - what about the poor female police officers who are required to search these men identifying as women?

Quite surprised that the Scottish Justice Secretary hasn't heard of this individual.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-prisoner-branded-one-scotlands-11837767

Transgender Tiffany Scott, previously Andrew Burns...

In April Scott, 26, had to be wrestled to a hospital floor after spitting at nurses, with 11 security and prison officers needed to get her under control.

Four months later a courtroom was put into lockdown for safety reasons when Scott appeared for sentencing. Earlier Scott had been found guilty of smearing excrement over her cell and assaulting four warders and a prison nurse during a “dirty protest” at Glenochil jail, Clackmannanshire.

In April 2016 we told how female prison officers refused to stripsearch Scott after she declared she was transgender.

Scott demanded only female officers did searches.

Maria Miller had a hand in this as well, truth.

In January 2016, the Transgender Enquiry report came out. It recommended that prisoners should be housed according to their self-identified gender. Remember that the Transgender Enquiry Committee did no impact assessment on women generally, far less female prisoners.

"There is a clear risk of harm (including violence, sexual assault, selfharming and suicide) where trans prisoners are not located in a prison or other setting appropriate to their acquired / affirmed gender".

In November 2016, the Ministry of Justice updated its guidelines, referencing the Transgender Enquiry Report.

"The key shift in policy is that, in the majority of cases, the prison service will try to accommodate prisoners in the gender with which they identify, even if they are not seeking medical interventions or GRCs".

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7420/CBP-7420.pdf