Joan McAlpine MSP now asks about how Police record transgender criminals

[WinnieHug]

In the Scottish Parliament today Joan McAlpine MSP asked the Scottish Justice Secretary whether Police Scotland and the Scottish Court Services record incidents according to the alleged perpetrator's birth sex of self-declaration.

The Justice Secretary confirmed that Police Scotland and the court and tribunal services do indeed record suspects according to their self-identified gender and that Police Scotland require no evidence of certification as proof of gender other than a person's self declaration.

Good for Joan. Not good for Police Scotland.
I'll put up a link to footage when I get one.

Thank you Popchyck
Maria Miller is a real enabler of all this - but squeals when challenged .

FFS.

Thank you Joan.

This should be raised with ONS.

There was a lot of press coverage at the time of the suicides of two male inmates who identified as transgender.

Also Tara Hudson, male person who identifies as transgender, was moved to a women's prison after a public outcry.

The document I linked to upthread details all of this.

But the Transgender Equality Report's recommendations were a big factor in the Ministry of Justice changing tack and allowing male transgender inmates to go to female prisons to in the majority of cases.

And of course the Ministry of Justice did not consider the impact on female inmates either. Not for a second.

Quite the pattern of government departments being blind to the risks that they were subjecting women to.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5465541/Record-number-women-convicted-sex-crimes-Britain.html

Did you all see this? It was a couple of Twitter links away and it seems very relevant.

A record number of women are being convicted of sex crimes, with many of their attacks carried out on children. Some 142 were guilty of sex offences in 2016 – almost double the 74 convicted two years earlier and more than triple the number at the start of the decade.

I just drew a little graph of that. Looks kind of like an exponential increase. Since the start of the decade... what an uncanny coincidence.

Six were convicted of rape, 37 of sexual activity with or involving a child, one of sexual grooming, 35 for internet child pornography offences and four for exposure and voyeurism.

And the Daily Mail and their experts apparently think this is all down to teachers abusing adolescent boys...

Now I think of it, if there were 60 known transwomen sex offenders in prison last year, and there were 142 female sex offenders convicted in total in 2016....
it defies all common sense to imagine that transwomen sex offenders aren't distorting the statistics considerably.

See Gender Recognition Act 22004, section 20: Gender-specific offences

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/20

Police have in that case been guilty of not acting in accordance with law and due process, as have the courts.

They should be in the shit for that!

AFAIK the ONS have already been raising recording of sex accurately, as an issue to investigate, to avoid skewing of stats

Cloven, I think the Mail thinks nothing of the sort. Given that women can't actually rape because we don't have penises, I think they're trying to make it c,ear what a fucking nonsense it is.

Incidentally, these are the ONS figures. Male victims zero, female perpetrators 1.

Rape and sexual assault by penetration is a crime committed by men against women.

This is the aspect of self ID that scares me the most. A couple of generations down the line and male violence and sex crime could be invisible (although women will still know all about it of course.)
Now who could possibly benefit from that ?

I wonder if any other MSPs woke up upon hearing this. Thank you Joan.

We really need to get the details of all the serious sexual crimes that "women" committed and find out if any were men.

We really need to get the details of all the serious sexual crimes that "women" committed and find out if any were men.

We do, this is impacting on what’s being taught in child protection training.

A woman can be guilty of rape if she assists the rapist with a 'common purpose'.

If you add the number of transwomen in prison for sex offences, to the number of women, it's half as much again.

Given that any of the 14,000 men in prison can identify as women, it's clearly nonsensical. Little wonder that Nic Williams could find that no one had actually counted and recorded all the prison inmates. The whole issue would have been glaringly obvious. Best not count them in case someone finds out, eh.

And what does pertinent to the crime mean? It doesn't get a lot more pertinent than the bloody statistics, does it?

And this 'stag do' example? That's the example they use on line to tell you If you are being discriminatory. It says you can't 'pretend' to be trans. Like being on a stag do and messing about.

As a provable example, it's laughable.

What fools these people are. Accepting protocols that they believe they can overlay with common sense. When it is not common sense that they are being bound by.

They wouldn't stand a chance of proving a bloke on a stag wasn't a woman, because he is as much of a woman as any other man.

Is it the premise that transwomen have a right to a private life, which includes not being outed?

Because that accounts for it.

I realise this only applies to GRC holders, not self identifiers. But it's where it has come from. And they are applying it to everyone.

Looking at Karen White, you're not allowed to say what you see.

What fools. I'm glad he looked so bloody defensive and sheepish.

Interesting that the Daily Mail article showed images of a 27 year old female teacher who was jailed for having sex with a 16 year old pupil.
I am not easy about calling a 16 year old a child, because I and many others were and are working at 16. The teacher has clearly breached a position of trust, but the age of consent in the UK is 16.
If it had been a relationship between a 27 year old who was not a teacher and a 16 year old, then nothing would have happened.
The Mail is ignoring all the transwomen in women's jails who have committed sex offences as a male.

I know Millytant and it's likely that there are some examples of that happening somewhere in that 6 "female rapes".

However, I'm not convinced that that would account for a sudden rise of 0-6. If it does, tbh that's an issue in itself given the conviction rates for actual rapes are at an all time low these days.

The change in unprecendented. There have been previous changes of status, such as the relatively recent definition of a child as anyone under 18, where previously there were juveniles under 16 and minors under 18 (or under 21 before 1969)

In these cases, the change is transparent and the trends can still be followed consistently.

Times, 'Letting criminals self-identify gender ‘putting women at risk’

(extract)
"Joan McAlpine, a fellow SNP MSP, had raised concerns that sexual offences are disproportionately perpetrated by biological men and asked whether self-identification would therefore lead to a “misleading” rise in the number of women recorded as sex-offenders. Official statistics show that 1,007 men were convicted for sexual crimes from 2017 to 2018, compared with 46 women.

Ms McAlpine, 57, said: “Aside from the statistical corruption, I cannot be the only woman who finds it deeply offensive that male sexual violence can ever be badged as a female crime.

“The Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales take a similar approach [to the Scottish government] — it’s another example of self-identification being introduced by the back door in response to publicly-funded lobby groups.”

She highlighted the case of Katie Dolatowski, 18, a transgender sex offender who preyed on girls in public toilets in Fife and was housed in women-only accommodation after being convicted. Ms McAlpine said the policy meant Dolatowski was “recorded as a woman, when this person doesn’t even have a gender recognition certificate and is therefore legally male”. (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/letting-criminals-self-identify-gender-putting-women-at-risk-8560wzkqt

threads re Dolatowski who filmed & sexually assaulted two young girls in women's supermarket toilets when he was 17 years old.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3496984-Article-in-Dundee-Courier-about-assault-of-10-year-old-girl-in-supermarket-toilets

re decision to house a male in female 'single sex' hostel:

(extract)
"She was released from Polmont young offender institution into women-only supported accommodation in Fife because she would otherwise have been homeless.

Asked how Dolatowski could pass a risk assessment to live in a women-only hostel having targeted two girls, a council spokeswoman said: “These are women, they weren’t girls.”

She added that the decision to admit Dolatowski to a female hostel was guided by the National Accommodation Strategy for Sex Offenders, which does not mention transgender people." (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-sex-attacker-sent-to-female-hostel-c3vw35c06?shareToken=a81d15b744582b6b1f69bca121db4bf2

Can we start using POGD (Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria) to describe the phenomenon of sex offenders ‘coming out as trans’ on arrest/while incarcerated?

Perfect, Betty! POGD it is.

"Norma Stanley Fletcher, you have been found guilty of the offence tried by this court...."

And yet the papers have been asking for a number of years “why have women got so violent?”

Quite.

I can see a HUGE spike in 'female' sex offenses. Like, meaning at the very least double the usual number.

Oh, just sen Clovens post. Yeah, so double already it seems.

This isn't just about the men who are imprisoned.
It's not just about the ones that were prosecuted either.

This is about all ARRESTS/Summonses/complaints in all crime and nuisance categories - from 'drunk and disorderly' to domestic violence, from neighbour disputes to possession of indecent material involving children. And everything in between.

Crime figures are unreliable now. It's might be easy to rectify the serious ones involving imprisonment - not so easy to rectify all those other crimes, misdemeanours and the ones that were proceeeded by summons.

What a mess. Good for Joan - asking the questions that politicans should have been asking all along.

Let’s not forget the media reporting guidelines which also serve to obfuscate and conceal the true nature of these crimes.