Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence

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www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers/

"To summarize, GIDS launched a study to administer experimental drugs to children suffering from gender dysphoria. Between 2010 and 2014, puberty blockers were given to 50 children. This study yielded only one published scientific article on outcomes. It showed no evidence for the effectiveness of GnRHa: there was no statistically significant difference in psychosocial functioning between the group given blockers and the group given only psychological support. In addition, there is unpublished evidence that after a year on GnRHa children reported greater self-harm, and that girls experienced more behavioural and emotional problems and expressed greater dissatisfaction with their body—so puberty blockers exacerbated gender dysphoria. Yet the study has been used to justify rolling out this drug regime to several hundred children aged under 16. Almost five years after the last patient was enrolled in the experiment, there is no evidence to substantiate Carmichael’s claim ‘that the results thus far have been positive’."

What is your experience Tammy?

I’ve bored everyone here with it multiple times but essentially I was on gnrh analogs from 25-27 for endometriosis. Suffered a wide range of side effects which never went away. First it was blamed on ME then fibromyalgia, now they’re saying it’s depression. Whatever it is presents much like hypothyroidism but with levels in normal range, and pretty low oestrogen levels ever since. Doctors don’t care. I’ve been unable to work properly for 8 years, I’ve had no sex drive for almost the whole of the last decade.

People need to be struck off over this, some people probably need to go to prison

Yes

What the actual hell is going on?

Why can’t we trust the people in authority here? I’m still trying to take this in....

So they are suspending these children in an artificial childhood and claiming it's an environment to help future decision-making?

Yes, Datun, this is exactly what they are doing.

Connect this with the embedding of the "born in the wrong body" narrative within the primary curriculum, even at KS1 ages 5-7 level, via programmes such as No Outsiders and the picture becomes even more concerning.

Safeguarding? What's that? Oh, parents, it was something we used to have years ago. No need to worry your little heads about anything like that.

Agreed LangCleg. Take a look at any of the materials from the groups currently accessing schools and you will find the same statements minimising the use of hormone blockers, advocating their use before puberty starts, gaslighting and silencing anyone who questions as 'transphobic'.
Even the very people charged with leading safeguarding - yes NSPCC, I am looking at you - goes along with this. They are so arrogant they son't even try to hide this evident bullshit.

We shouldn't be the ones responsible for researching this.

A brief google on hippocampus and puberty brought this article up.

The hippocampus is clearly viewed as important by some:

*Adolescence is a critical period for brain maturation. Deciphering how disturbances to the central nervous system at this time affect structure, function and behavioural outputs is important to better understand any long-lasting effects.

Hippocampal neurogenesis occurs during development and continues throughout life. In adulthood, integration of these new cells into the hippocampus is important for emotional behaviour, cognitive function and neural plasticity.

During the adolescent period, maturation of the hippocampus and heightened levels of hippocampal neurogenesis are observed, making alterations to neurogenesis at this time particularly consequential.

As stress negatively affects hippocampal neurogenesis, and adolescence is a particularly stressful time of life, it is important to investigate the impact of stressor exposure at this time on hippocampal neurogenesis and cognitive function.

Adolescence may represent not only a time for which stress can have long-lasting effects, but is also a critical period during which interventions, such as exercise and diet, could ameliorate stress-induced changes to hippocampal function.

In addition, intervention at this time may also promote life-long behavioural changes that would aid in fostering increased hippocampal neurogenesis and cognitive function.

This review addresses both the acute and long-term stress-induced alterations to hippocampal neurogenesis and cognition during the adolescent period, as well as changes to the stress response and pubertal hormones at this time which may result in differential effects than are observed in adulthood.

We hypothesise that adolescence may represent an optimal time for healthy lifestyle changes to have a positive and long-lasting impact on hippocampal neurogenesis, and to protect against stress-induced deficits.

We conclude that future research into the mechanisms underlying the susceptibility of the adolescent hippocampus to stress, exercise and diet and the consequent effect on cognition may provide insight into why adolescence may be a vital period for correct conditioning of future hippocampal function.*

www.nature.com/articles/tp201748

But why are they doing this? That's the bit I absolutely can't get. Why are they pushing the born-in-the-wrong-body narrative?

Interesting about how serious abuse in the first three years can't be overcome. We saw this in those hideous Romanian orphanages, didn't we?

I’ve bored everyone here with it multiple times

It’s not boring Tammy it’s vital - we have new members and lurkers all the time so please keep telling it.

My childhood friend had blockers for precocious puberty - she has enormous health challenges as a 40something. What was caused by the drugs and what was caused by the condition that caused the PP i don’t think even she knows, but she is barely over 4ft tall and has significant osteoporosis.

I've asked Penny Mordant the question on the web chat.

I don't know how she will choose which questions to answer, but with a bit of luck, she will at least read it.

What she can't say is that she was never asked it.

TammySwansonTwo

Don't feel that you are repeating yourself, even if you are, if you see what I mean.

One thing I have noticed is that I will say something that I have said 100 times before, and several people will say oh my God I never knew that.

New people are always showing up. And new people are always lurking. You could say the same thing every day, and you will be speaking to someone new each time.

Your experience is invaluable, and your contribution to the discussion is vital.

not boring Tammy, I'm going to pm you.

Groom the littluns at primary school, then herd them into the gender identity clinics just as they’re about to hit puberty, then get them on a regime of drugs to keep them physically weak, mentally immature and cognitively impaired for the rest of their lives. Nothing sinister about that at all.

I won’t continue otherwise I’ll be deleted, if ya know what i mean.

Can you imagine saying to parents look you can have these puberty blockers for your child, which will give them time to decide what they want to do. In the meantime they will drop 8 IQ points and their memory and special awareness will never recover.

Ok?

Giving such drugs to children
Are their parents told that this is an expirement on their children ?

Experiment

Oh and datun

We don’t actually know what will happen to the kids once they grow up to be adults

Or don’t

We don’t actually know what will happen to the kids once they grow up to be adults

Well quite. What did that transman in the Stella O'Malley documentary say?

I can't remember the actual question now, but they clearly had not been given some information by their doctor which they were then surprised to learn from Stella.

And they just shrugged, and grinned with a sort of I well I'm sure it'll be fine kind of attitude.

Unsurprising if their IQ's dropped eight points, and their memory has been affected.

But why are they doing this? That's the bit I absolutely can't get.

Hubris.

One thing I have noticed is that I will say something that I have said 100 times before, and several people will say oh my God I never knew that.

Absolutely datun, Tammy

You can barely give your kids calpol these days without someone lecturing you on the side effects - look at all the anti vaxxers obsessed with the non existent issues with vaccines. But if your kid says they like toys and clothes and colours then it’s fine to give them anything at all and literally no one knows or cares what the consequences of that will be. I’m aghast to be honest, in the nanny state west, here we are experimenting on kids because we’ve told them they are different. (General we, not fwr we).

I am good for nothing with this. It's just beyond reason. Apoplectic atm.

I'm posting this paragraph again I'm so cross.

The researchers of this study clearly think the hippocampus is important. Are they going to include the effects of blockers on this?

We conclude that future research into the mechanisms underlying the susceptibility of the adolescent hippocampus to stress, exercise and diet and the consequent effect on cognition may provide insight into why adolescence may be a vital period for correct conditioning of future hippocampal function.

go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.nature.com/articles/tp201748

I’m aghast to be honest, in the nanny state west, here we are experimenting on kids because we’ve told them they are different. (General we, not fwr we).

Susie Green saying that she and her husband threw away all her child's toys. In an effort to make them conform. And then said, of course then we had no choice, we had to take Jackie to the doctor, didn't we?

Because a child born male wanted to play with dolls.

What the fuck are Action Men? Teddies? She even gives the anecdote about Jackie on the phone to the grandma, tearfully asking for a doll for Christmas, but don't tell mummy and daddy.

It's beyond cruel.

And then Jazz Jennings, with nary a hint of the phrase gender dysphoria in any of the narrative. Just tutus and ballet.

And how many towels a child uses after the shower? That's another one.

We all know it's nonsense. We all know it's illogical. And we all know that the implications are horrific.

But why are people believing it? Why do they think that putting a towel on your head means you've got the wrong body?

The other thing is that if a child is given puberty blockers to " buy time" what happens in that time? A poster on here said her DD was prescribed puberty blockers and then just sent away - no therapy or support - how to s that going to help?

Thanks all. The effects on my health have been staggering, and I know they haven’t been reported by doctors because they dismiss my concerns that it’s connected. I can’t even imagine putting this into a developing body and what that would do to you longterm. I truly wish they were reversible and I feel awful for the children and parents sold this lie.

If I write to Matt Hancock about this will he bounce the letter straight back because he's not my MP?

I will be writing to my MP about this as soon as I can frame a coherent sentence. I'm currently in a state of shock

the NHS has been experimenting on non conforming children (often gay or neurodivergent) with drugs that they knew had serious side effects on cognition

I feel like I'm living behind the iron curtain