Trans in Women's sport on R4 PM programme.

[LizzieSiddal]

Just thought I'd flag this, not sure what time it is on, but sometime before 6.

I've been listening to PM and it's not on yet but think it'll be on next.

On now!

Uh oh RM...

Sex is a social construct...

Go on, RM, say it: Everything is transphobic!

RMcK is getting a LOT of airtime

There will be people driving home tonight hearing this going “WTF?!?!”

Yay! Sarah Ditum.

MacKinnon may have not heard that Radio 4 debunked the claims TRAs make about intersex but Evan Davies maybe should be caught up to speed.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3482851-More-or-Less-Radio-4-now-prevalence-of-intersex

Why isn't McKinnon being interupted?

Sarah was very very good!

Oh this woman is good.

She was great.

What was the nonsense RK was spouting about women having testosterone levels in the 20s? Genetically typical women with ovaries have testosterone levels under 3 nearly all the time. I've never seen a level in a woman over 5 (I'm a GP). The people in their 20s must be intersex like Caster Semenya or doping. McKinnon was spouting nonsense.

McKinnon speaks a lot of nonsense and quickly, its also well rehersed so rarely challenged.

RM has literally written the book on Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About

The people in their 20s must be intersex like Caster Semenya or doping
Or male....

Couldn't listen but sounds encouraging for the GC side - hope it is.

McK is a gleeful liar and world champ gaslighter

I thought they should have brought in a scientist at that point (over the testosterone.) RM sounded like they were just making up numbers.

Wow. So the interviewer only interrupted the woman, quelle suprise. Not.

And the other interviewee spoke in such a confident, rushed way, that they were sounding terribly masculine don't you think.

And spouting utter nonsense on quite a few 'facts'.
I hope the presenter gets a briefing on scientific facts before his next interview about this.

To be fair, Evan Davies is a good presenter, but he really needed a scientist there tonight.

Evan Davies
"The Patriarchy
Sweet ReasonSeries 1

For some, the word "patriarchy" usefully describes our social and economic system with its manifest gender imbalances in wealth and power. For others, it is trendy, pretentious nonsense. In this programme we ask whether patriarchy helps or hinders our understanding of relations between men and women in the modern world."

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b9z645

(You can skip forward to 24:00 for Davies' opinions about the patriarchy)

Evan Davis did at least question RM a bit and sounded disbelieving of sex as a social construct. But all the 'facts' and 'figures' went unchallenged and intersex was co-opted again.
I missed most of SD's bit annoyingly.

" McKinnon speaks a lot of nonsense and quickly, its also well rehersed so rarely challenged "

a bit like a nutter on the bus, everyone just wants move away

Wow. So the interviewer only interrupted the woman, quelle suprise. Not.

I hope the cyclist complains to the BBC, the lack of interruption is a clear case of transmisogyny.

The BBC making themselves look idiotic by allowing the cyclist to cyclesplain biology to them.

McK is a gleeful liar and world champ gaslighter

There’s one world title we can all agree RM won fair and square

A funny twitter thread about this involving a Leeds academic not unknown to this board:

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1100093192295333888