R4 Today about the Tavistock report/resignation

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Agree Dp. And let’s add Trans participation in Women’s Sport, Mermaids and Stonewall to the Tavistock. All under much more scrutiny than a even a few weeks ago.

I really hope everything that's happened over the last week makes the Lottery people reconsider Mermaids.

Kat that is unbelievably sad but, to those of us who've been paying attention for a while, a not unexpected scenario. But a lot of that is not on the radar of, for example, the average head teacher - or the average politician.

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I thought the question to Damien Hinds was a bit left field but useful all the same. It might mean he'll think, maybe for the first time, that what's taught in schools about trans issue might be within the scope of his job as Secretary of State for Education.

Get it into his awareness there's a potential scandal here.

Do you wonder whether Ruth Hunt, seeing that report on GIDS/ Tavistock and seeing Martina gathering momentum, decided the tide had turned and it was time to jump? I think she ought to be reminded that there is no escaping responsibility for the part she has played in a massive child abuse scandal. Anyone contemplating employing her needs to be aware of this.

Oh I wasn’t disputing that it is 100% appropriate to ask Damien Hinds on the issue, just the assertion that ‘we have heard calls for external supervision’ when 20 minutes earlier that ‘call’ seemed to be a suggestion from a fellow presenter.

The questioning was fantastic - careful, thought out and challenging. Loving the use of the word ‘irrevocable’ and really getting to the answers and holding them to account. Hopefully this will start to change how this is reported as the BBC are coming under more scrutiny about how they report on this.

You can still hear it on the live feed, you can just go back to 7:47.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

I think Justin Webb did a great job. He got both interviewees to say more than they'd intended. Polly Carmichael spent a lot of time saying nothing.

I can’t access it - can anyone summarise?

Do you wonder whether Ruth Hunt, seeing that report on GIDS/ Tavistock and seeing Martina gathering momentum, decided the tide had turned and it was time to jump?

Almost certainly. I think that people like Hunt are frightened that the backlash is coming and she probably wants to be well out of the way when that happens.

I thought Justin Webb was good too. He did seem to understand the issues and ask the right questions. Polly Carmichael simply evaded every difficult question, though, and refused to admit the possibility of social contagion.

refused to admit the possibility of social contagion

But then did concede that we are all influenced by external factors but didn't feel the term social contagion was helpful.

That is really quite something - even two weeks ago you'd never have got anything remotely like that sober and sensible discussion. And no celebrity trans wheeled in to provide "the opposite view" - are the grown-ups finally back at the BBC?

I am deeply suspicious of the timing of all this. Can't help but think there's something bigger brewing - a court case? Mishandled funding? Abuse scandal?

Justin Webb is basically a proper, grown up journalist doing his job well.

Fresh air. Sunlight and Truth-telling. Hopefully this is the BBC waking the fuck up.

Polly Carmichael simply evaded every difficult question, though, and refused to admit the possibility of social contagion.

Polly Carmichael on R4 Woman's Hour last year was similarly wooly.
October 2018
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3408010-rogd-on-woman-s-hour-tomorrow

It is news because a trustee of an NHS trust quit. That’s a pretty big issue. I think it’s more this that has led to this discussion and these guests than some change in journalistic agenda/tide.

Linky:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002rj6

(01:47)

Justin Webb is basically a proper, grown up journalist doing his job well.

This is key.

cf Nick Robinson interviewing Paris Lees:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xp3z2

About time that Damian Hinds was called out on this. It is on his watch as Secretary of State for Education that the porn addicts, the flashers, the paedophile employers and fetishists have been able to directly access schools, the girl guides and everywhere else that children congregate. The DfE have done nothing to protect children from this. I'd like to think that he actually doesn't know the creepy reality of many of the leading personnel that the government have been working with. It's just too frightening to think that the protection of children matters so little in comparison to the demands of the above.

Apparently, Panorama tonight will be featuring the Tavistock.

Polly Carmichael: Talking a lot, not saying anything.

Yes Rowan, Nick Robinson is another good example of a darn good journalist actually doing his job.

For the very first time the BBC have actually treated this subject as what it is — a safeguarding issue — and Justin Webb just went at it in a businesslike, properly journalistic way

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what's been going on at the Tavistock is seriously odd, and the fact that our national broadcaster has up to now been ignoring it is a serious oversight. it's about time it was redressed

As Polly Carmichael stated, The Tavistock is one of the oldest established clinics. Its founder 'established' both the narrative and treatment model to treat 'children whose gender identity does not match their sex'

Dr Domenico DiCeglie
Lifetime Honorary Consultant Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist

GIDS London
Founder and Former Director Gender Identity Development Service, Tavistock Centre, London.

Honorary Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Psychology, University College London.

Docente, Scuola di specializzazione in psicologia clinica, Università La Sapienza Roma.

Doctor of Education (Honoris Causa) University of East London.

You founded the Gender Identity Development Service. What gave you the idea to do so?

I was inspired to start the Gender Identity Development Service in 1989 by an encounter with a teenager, who was assigned female at birth, who perceived himself to be male. I saw him for exploratory psychotherapy in the mid-80s following three overdoses. In one of the sessions he wondered why his parents had not understood his situation when he was a child and sought professional help and support. This started my thinking about setting up a specialist service for this group of young people, but at the time I would never have imagined the developments which followed."
gids.nhs.uk/who-we-are/domenico-diceglie