Calling Oxfordshire women? I have shit show of a response from OCC and need some parent power to challenge

[GColdtimer]

This was my email to them challenging their Trans Toolkit (like the Brighton one basically). My friend did a thorough critique of it which they have totally ignored. I will post their response in my next post.

We are going to write again asking that they address our actual questions but we need a critical mass of parents to make it worth our while.

Please comment here or PM me.

I am writing to you following a FOI request submitted (14449) last year regarding the Trans Toolkit for School you issued to schools in Oxfordshire. Whilst we received a satisfactory response from a FOI point of view, I am afraid to say we are not happy with the guidelines issued, or the process in which they were developed and would like to formally report our concerns.

I have attached a thorough review of the guidelines and attach a summary of our concerns below:

The guidelines continually conflate sex and gender - sex is biological and fixed, whereas gender is purely social and highly subjective
The guidelines are socially regressive and promotes the stereotyping of girls and boys.
They are contrary to what you are trying to do
They overstep boundaries and undermine parents
They are potentially homophobic
Any school adopting these guidelines is likely to be in breach of their safeguarding guidelines as there are numerous safeguarding issues which put girls in danger
The guidelines show no concern whatsoever for the privacy, safety or dignity of other children in a setting, specifically girls
The statistics quoted are wildly inaccurate and are based on flawed research which holds no statistical significance
The law is misrepresented throughout the guidelines and specific laws are omitted which deal with the protection of the protected characteristic of sex
The guidance directly conflicts with previous, well researched NUT guidance
Notes in the appendix shut down discussion with parents.
The lesson plans ask teachers to put aside biological reality

We discovered via our FOI the guidelines were written by representatives from children’s services across Oxfordshire and other authorities as well as with the assistance of All Sorts and Gendered Intelligence. The FOI stated that no checks had been carried out on these organisations or on the people who are providing this advice and guidance to schools. We understand it was created by Children’s Services and signed off by the OSCB. We would like to see the minutes from the meeting where you discussed the safeguarding aspects of this Toolkit (eg. allowing teenage boys to be allowed to share toilets, changing rooms and dorm rooms with teenage girls) and the impact on other children in schools, specifically girls. We would like to know which parent and teacher groups you consulted with. We would also like to be assured that you informed the schools that they would need to carry out their own equality impact assessment if they adopted the guidelines. Didcot Girls School was not aware of this and have subsequently taken down their policy.

We would like to ask that you take down the Tool kit until you have had change to thoroughly review it and carry out a Children’s Rights Impact Assessment in order to make it legally compliant, non-sexist and inclusive of ALL pupils. We would like to refer you to www.transgendertrend.com who have published a balanced and scientifically researched and robust alternative policy. I would also like to refer you to this Children’s Rights Impact Assessment produced by Women and Girls in Scotland Group which states that similar guidelines issued in Scotland “could breach as many as 15 articles of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child” - wgscotland.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Childrens-Rights-Impact-Assessment-by-Women-and-Girls-in-Scotland.pdf and news article here: www.heraldscotland.com/news/17393697.trans-guidance-for-scottish-schools-breaches-11-childrens-rights-campaigners-warn/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR210Le60d71r3OpeQ35cZZYSYRqYPyMFfyeqF403L-d_WMG4Diz8iS8T94

Myself alongside a number of other parents (at least 50 so far and growing) would be happy to put their name to a complaint but I would like to think in the interests of all children in your care you will be happy to address our concerns.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Where do these people who think sex is a social construct imagine babies come from? gooseberry bushes?

The stork?!?

I think gender AND sex are both social constructs with material implications

If sex is a social construct, how has humanity and most other life on this planet reproduced itself over millions of years?

Sex is a social construct????? The depths they go to try and validate themselves and their pet theory.

Noticeably quiet on the link about the 11 year old girl, I'm just waiting for the "it's and isolated incident" mantra to come out. ONE incident is ONE too many, safeguarding is put in place to PREVENT these things happening.

If sex is a social construct why is it that every human on the face of the earth since humans have existed to now have come from uterus having people? Is that a social construct?
If sex is a social construct why can't my husband get pregnant? Is he just not trying hard enough? I knew it. Bloody lazy git.
Genuinely interested as we'd like another baby but I've carried a lot of babies now and produced a lot of milk, and I think it would be cool if I could have turn with producing the sperm and he could have a go at projectile vomiting at least once a day for the next 9/10 months.

Brigading

I've just worked out the crossword puzzle LangCleg set.

I said 'with material implications'.
As you know, people who identify as men can have babies.
We aren't talking about heterosexual, happy-with-their-assigned-sex people, obv! This ain't all about you! We're talking about the outliers.

Nb. Upthread someone pointed out the problem with dismissing 'isolated incidents'. But that's not about people's identity, that's about a different topic (safeguarding). Clearly that kid needed to have serious consequences for those actions.

Skyzalimit

You seem a little confused about the difference between sex and gender. Can you explain what you think the two terms mean? Do you think they are the same thing?

Nobody is 'assigned a sex'.

Of course this thread is getting real world traction, and proving to be very fruitful.

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it would be a real shame if it got fractious and then got deleted.

this ^

OP youve done great work - I hope you get answers and we can get back to discussing the important topic of the thread, and not getting sidetracked with any one posters issues.

Salutes OP

But that's not about people's identity, that's about a different topic (safeguarding). Clearly that kid needed to have serious consequences for those actions.

No, what should have happened was that this kid (who claimed to be a girl) was NOT allowed access to the female only changing rooms. You want everyone to be treated as the gender they identify with and have free and unfettered access to single sex areas which is exactly what causes safeguarding issues such as the one described.

Well done OP

Look forward to hearing the outcome.

It's also policing of my body.

Na. That's what's going on when lesbians are told they must accept dick.

I don't care whether you would have dick or not. What I object to is those people who think that lesbian sex involves dicks in any way, whether as recipient or giver. Homosexual means two of the same sex. That's the point. If you'd consider it, you've either been social coerced or your bisexual or heterosexual. Your are not a lesbian because that's not homosexuality.

You can twist it any way you like linguistically to suit your agenda and make out you are some sort of victim.

The bottom line is no one is telling you who can and can't sleep with. Only that your descriptions and how you label things are off. That's about the integrity and meaning of language which is hugely important not policing bodies.

Whilst the material reality of lesbians is that they ARE being told that they must have heterosexual sex or be a bigot who must be punished for refusing dick. THAT'S policing bodies. That's saying lesbians bodily boundaries are not acceptable to woke society.

And this is what's being now taught to girls in schools and that's deeply troubling. Which is the subject of this thread. Not someone desparetely trying to prove MN is evil.

Tbh I don't think you are engaging in good faith. I think you are determined to stir. And so on that note I'm out.

Jeez skyz we are never assigned sex. Ffs. It’s not a lucky dip where midwives go, oh heck let’s see we need more boys in Wales. Let’s assign this baby to be a boy

Are you just having a laugh here cos it seems like that

Or you forgot to,use your brain. ?

Are you just having a laugh here cos it seems like that

No, just trying to deflect attention from OP's success in at least getting OCC to review its incorporation of the Trans Toolkit and holding it to account for its equality impact duty.

Goddess forbid we actually talk about that. Terribly frightening.

LangClegg
Did I win the crossword question?

It is brigading isn't it?

Sorry for the double gg there...

As you know, people who identify as men can have babies.

But it's meaningless what they identify as. They can only have babies because they are female. Aka women and girls.

Yes, let's. I watched that unfold live on Twitter.

Me too.

Skyzalimit if sex is a social construct, how do they know who to kill?

For the first time in human history, there are more adult human males than adult human females on this planet.

(If there's any interest, I'm happy to explain why for the entirety of human history - millions of years - bar the last 50 years there have always been more women than men on this planet. But I'll leave it for now.)

Everyday, in every corner of this planet female people are killed for being female.

If sex is a social construct, what is sex-selected abortion of female fetuses based on?

Over the last 30 years in Australia, the natural birth ratio of 105 males being born for every 100 females has shifted to 124 males being born for every 100 females.

What is this based on?

How do millions of poor people (who have no access to prenatal testing and who are unlikely to read postmodern relativist theories), how do they decide which babies to leave by the roadside or on rubbish heaps to die?

As someone wrote in an article on the issue of sex being a social construct:

the organised killing of girl children is the greatest act of murder in human history

This fairly recent demographic development, first analysed in the 90s, now counts in the hundreds of millions of females killed for being female in less than 50 years. The trend continues to increase unabated. And this doesn't just happen in faraway, developing countries - it happens here in the UK, too.

So, if sex is not real but a social construct we ought to let go of in aid of this men's sexual rights movement that you advocate for, how do millions of individuals on this planet across the entire globe, entirely independently of each other, how do they know who to kill?

How do they decide who to cut when they mutilate the genitals of little girls?
Who to rape?
Who to force into marriage?
Who to murder in honour killings?

When used outside of philosophical academic discourse, the claim that sex is a social construct is a propaganda tool used by those seeking to deny the oppression of females by males in order to abolish what little protection female people have on this planet.

Some of those people are female. Traitors to our sex who seem to be so privileged in their own lives that they consent to all other females losing the rights these women do not depend on.

I agree with the author of that excellent article in having nothing but contempt for those using a theoretical philosophical construct completely useless for any practical, real life purposes apart from this one - to argue against upholding the sex-based rights of female people.

Yet another excellent post CharlieParley. I too have nothing but contempt for those tearing up the sex based rights of female people and who are throwing all safeguarding of children in the bin.

I can guarantee it won't be them or their children who suffer it will be those already vulnerable and voiceless.

@Skyzalimit Sex is a social construct? Oh yes. My two children were brought to me by a stork, and they were fed not through my breasts but by ....oops, I've forgotten how they were fed in their first year of life.

Seriously though: as others have said, it is irrelevant whether not transboys have assaulted girls in girls' spaces. It doesn't matter.
What matters is the private and intimate nature of such spaces, and the fact that women and girls do not want to share them with male bodies. With men and boys. Biological men and boys. Perceived gender doesn't matter. Many of us don't believe in gender.

We don't want to share. Not even with the most benign, innocent men and boys, whether trans, gay, or straight, not even if they are going though traumas and having mental health issues and fears of their own, and really, really want to and promise to be nice. Not even if they have been bullied.

I wouldn't even want to share such spaces with my very lovely platonic male friends, of whom there are many. And you know what, those men wouldn't ever dream of demanding it. Because it would be embarrassing to a decent man or boy.

This is not because women and girls are mean and hateful. It's because they are women and girls, and they are of a different sex, and want their own separate spaces. It should not even be up for discussion. The very act of questioning that sex-based right is abusive.

Why aren't you lobbying for third spaces? Women and girls like you and your daughter, who don't mind sharing, can use them in solidarity if you so wish.

*CharleyParley, you are a delight to read! So succinct and on point.

Jeez Charlie just great post

It is brigading isn't it?

Yes!

You can see it happen every single time women on this forum achieve positive actions. The threads detailing them must be derailed at all costs. Women must be on the back foot, defending ludicrous claims, always. They must never be allowed to discuss steps forward among themselves. Never.

Reply and mention the purpose of the OP. The effect on rights of school girls. Its not about how adults might feel after all.

I've taught in a number of secondary schools in my career. I know of boys in all those schools who would - knowing they didn't have to do anything other than say 'I'm trans and want to change and shower with the girls' - would have done so.

Among the many boys I taught, one went on to commit murder and more than one committed sex offences. Of course some boys will use such a system as permits them to look at, harass and possibly assault the girls.