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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Calling Oxfordshire women? I have shit show of a response from OCC and need some parent power to challenge

173 replies

GColdtimer · 21/02/2019 16:16

This was my email to them challenging their Trans Toolkit (like the Brighton one basically). My friend did a thorough critique of it which they have totally ignored. I will post their response in my next post.

We are going to write again asking that they address our actual questions but we need a critical mass of parents to make it worth our while.

Please comment here or PM me.

I am writing to you following a FOI request submitted (14449) last year regarding the Trans Toolkit for School you issued to schools in Oxfordshire. Whilst we received a satisfactory response from a FOI point of view, I am afraid to say we are not happy with the guidelines issued, or the process in which they were developed and would like to formally report our concerns.

I have attached a thorough review of the guidelines and attach a summary of our concerns below:

The guidelines continually conflate sex and gender - sex is biological and fixed, whereas gender is purely social and highly subjective
The guidelines are socially regressive and promotes the stereotyping of girls and boys.
They are contrary to what you are trying to do
They overstep boundaries and undermine parents
They are potentially homophobic
Any school adopting these guidelines is likely to be in breach of their safeguarding guidelines as there are numerous safeguarding issues which put girls in danger
The guidelines show no concern whatsoever for the privacy, safety or dignity of other children in a setting, specifically girls
The statistics quoted are wildly inaccurate and are based on flawed research which holds no statistical significance
The law is misrepresented throughout the guidelines and specific laws are omitted which deal with the protection of the protected characteristic of sex
The guidance directly conflicts with previous, well researched NUT guidance
Notes in the appendix shut down discussion with parents.
The lesson plans ask teachers to put aside biological reality

We discovered via our FOI the guidelines were written by representatives from children’s services across Oxfordshire and other authorities as well as with the assistance of All Sorts and Gendered Intelligence. The FOI stated that no checks had been carried out on these organisations or on the people who are providing this advice and guidance to schools. We understand it was created by Children’s Services and signed off by the OSCB. We would like to see the minutes from the meeting where you discussed the safeguarding aspects of this Toolkit (eg. allowing teenage boys to be allowed to share toilets, changing rooms and dorm rooms with teenage girls) and the impact on other children in schools, specifically girls. We would like to know which parent and teacher groups you consulted with. We would also like to be assured that you informed the schools that they would need to carry out their own equality impact assessment if they adopted the guidelines. Didcot Girls School was not aware of this and have subsequently taken down their policy.

We would like to ask that you take down the Tool kit until you have had change to thoroughly review it and carry out a Children’s Rights Impact Assessment in order to make it legally compliant, non-sexist and inclusive of ALL pupils. We would like to refer you to www.transgendertrend.com who have published a balanced and scientifically researched and robust alternative policy. I would also like to refer you to this Children’s Rights Impact Assessment produced by Women and Girls in Scotland Group which states that similar guidelines issued in Scotland “could breach as many as 15 articles of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child” - wgscotland.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Childrens-Rights-Impact-Assessment-by-Women-and-Girls-in-Scotland.pdf and news article here: www.heraldscotland.com/news/17393697.trans-guidance-for-scottish-schools-breaches-11-childrens-rights-campaigners-warn/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR210Le60d71r3OpeQ35cZZYSYRqYPyMFfyeqF403L-d_WMG4Diz8iS8T94

Myself alongside a number of other parents (at least 50 so far and growing) would be happy to put their name to a complaint but I would like to think in the interests of all children in your care you will be happy to address our concerns.

I look forward to hearing from you.

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AlwaysTawnyOwl · 22/02/2019 12:41

I also know a school governor at my children’s previous school

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 22/02/2019 12:45

The fact that the Transgendertrend guidance won the Maddox prize for ‘standing up for science’ is a great endorsement as well I think

anOxfordparent · 22/02/2019 18:31

I’m an Oxfordshire parent and pretty fucked off with that. Not surprised though and think such crappy replies are often due as much to incompetence as they are to conviction.

There’s a new secondary opening in Oxford soon and I noticed that they’re emphasising having separate loos for girls and boys, as well as one mixed one. I’m hoping they emphasised this because so many parents expressed concerns about it.

CharlieParley · 22/02/2019 20:07

twofalls That's an excellent email from you, but what a crappy response!

Let's all keep on making sure that when the shit finally hits the fan, none of the people in charge can say they weren't warned of the stench emanating from all this.

Not in Oxfordshire, but wanted to add something anyway:

Children's Rights Impact Assessments (CRIAs) are meant to be done by the government before allowing any guidance into schools that will be used to make policy changes in schools.

As you've found, just like in Scotland, the flavour of the month is the argument that no one has to assess anything because no one is forcing the schools to use these guidelines.

The Scottish Government is trying to officially and publicly wash their hands off any responsibility for the LGBT Youth Scotland Guidance and for having to make sure it upholds the human rights of children.

While enthusiastically repeating to STV that they "fully support" it.

Without assessing it.

After being told it violates the human rights of children.

If you ever wondered if this, all of this, is a sign of collective insanity amongst those who govern us, this is a good indication.

Furthermore, as you and others have mentioned above, every single school has to do an Equality Impact Assessment before implementing any new guidance that leads to policy changes (as these guidelines do when they change how children are treated from how they were treated before).

Such an EQIA must actually involve consultation with all affected children and their parents/carers - it cannot just be a tick-box exercise - and it must be published. As far as I know no one is bothering to do any actual EQIAs when it comes to these new guidelines for kids who identify as trans.

Nonetheless, ask to see the one your school did. It's your right. Then you can inform them that without assessments their liability insurance will probably not be valid should something happen to a child because they changed any of their policies in line with potentially unlawful guidelines.

I would also recommend getting in touch with the Children's Commissioner in England. They are supposed to make sure that the rights of all children are upheld, but I guess that just like their Scottish counterpart they will have embraced all these new guidelines without critically examining any of them.

However, they will be aware of the recent response of the Children's and Young People Commissioner Scotland to the CRIA written by Women and Girls in Scotland. They've completely changed their tune of enthusiastic endorsement of the LGBT Youth Scotland Guidance to one of concern.

TransgenderTrend will hopefully now follow up with their own CRIA but that's a lot of work, so will likely take a few months.

It's interesting to note that while the group Women and Girls In Scotland has predictably been attacked as transphobic for asking to uphold the rights of ALL children, their CRIA has not actually been attacked on its substance.

On the contrary, the Scottish Children's Commissioner have publicly stated that it was "extremely thorough, well researched, comprehensive, informative and helpful" (which is why they've now reminded the Scottish government of their duty to make sure all guidance used in schools upholds human rights law and the EqA).

The Scottish Government has said it rejected the call for a review of the Guidance because they didn't write it so they don't see why they should assess it. If they could have rejected the call for a review on the basis of the CRIAs findings being wrong, they would have. But they can't, so they're basically reduced to rejecting the complaints about any stench coming from that Guidance by saying it wasn't them that shat it out.

So you could take that CRIA as a starting off point to make your own arguments. You could also check out Dr Kath Murray's recent paper on GRA reform which finds the Guidance breaches even more more articles of the UNCRC.

MaverickSnoopy · 22/02/2019 20:27

Oxfordshire woman here passionate about all of this. Well done on your efforts. I would like get involved but for my mental health just can't at the moment - too much going on (new baby, pnd, lots of other things plus illness).

However I went to safeguarding training run by the OSCB last year and there was no mention of any trans issues/conflicts at all. I was going to query it but there was a transwoman there and I felt uncomfortable raising it due to the circumstances so didn't. If it is helpful to you I can pm you contact details of the trainers. They seem like sensible women and might be able to shed some light. Pm me if you're interested.

jeaux90 · 22/02/2019 20:34

Oxon woman here. My DD still in Primary year 5. I got the transgender trend pack sent to the school, checked the policies etc and it's all ok there. Secondary local I still have to take a look at.

GColdtimer · 22/02/2019 21:51

Just checking in to say thanks for the responses @CharlieParley that's incredibly helpful thank you.

Birthday weekend here but will be following up on PMs etc early next week.

Thank you.

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Ma1low51 · 22/02/2019 22:17

It seems some organisations have been warned off TT, with baseless accusations of hate etc. Stephanie’s work is outstanding.

1MillionSelfiesTakenByMyKids · 23/02/2019 07:17

What do you need from us?

1Gadfly · 23/02/2019 10:09

Hi, I’m the friend the OP refers to.
There are a few things you could do:

hierarchy of rights placing sex at the bottom and which: encourages teachers to interpret non-verbal and pre-verbal ‘gender non confirming’ kids as trans (by looking at their clothes and which toys they play with - stereotypes galore) Check the policies to see if the schools says trans kids can compete against those of the opp sex in sport/ share sleeping accommodation/ changing facilities. These ideas will obv cause discomfort for opp sex pupils.

You could:
Write to the school gvnors / Safeguarding lead, requesting they adopt the Trabsgender Trend guidance, which is legally compliant.
Remind schools (if applicable) that single sex schools have the right to formally implement policies which exclude a child of the opp sex.
That sex is a protected characteristic still - unless Stonewall get their way that is!)

GColdtimer · 25/02/2019 09:59

Quick update. Just had a call from OCC asking for me to attend a meeting with the Director of Children's Services and the Chair of the OCSB. Would like to talk to me "sooner rather than later".

Watch this space.

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ChickenonaMug · 25/02/2019 16:26

That sounds promising twofalls. Please do keep us updated.

20nil · 25/02/2019 16:33

Excellent. Well done for persuing this.

Abite · 26/02/2019 07:34

I am Oxford based - I have sent you a pm - happy to help.

Abite · 27/02/2019 11:33

Any update on your meeting - I am not a regular on here - mainly post on twitter but my daughter is GNC and I am Oxford based so I am very interested to hear what they said. And thanks for taking this on.

Hefzi · 27/02/2019 11:39

Another Oxonian here-not parent but school governor, as is my GC-but-not-tech-savvy DM: count us in for support etc (Neither of our schools currently confuse sex and gender, thank goodness - but I wouldn't put it past them in the future, tbh)

GColdtimer · 27/02/2019 12:45

@Abite it's today will keep you posted.

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ValWiggin · 28/02/2019 11:54

Oxon parent here too. Intrigued to hear how your meeting went.

Xiaoxiong · 28/02/2019 12:53

Not Oxon but close by - good on you for the work you've done and hope the meeting was productive. Off the back of this I've checked my DS's school policy and as it's a single sex school it doesn't even have sex as a protected characteristic in the Equal Opps policy! But happily very clear on sex not gender.

GColdtimer · 28/02/2019 14:30

That's good Xiaoxiong!

Meeting went really well. They were receptive and listened to all our points. We were challenging and pretty clear about our objectives. We were in an hour and a half so had a decent amount of time to talk.. We have left it with them to discuss, will follow up in a week or so. Will keep you posted!

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crosstalk · 28/02/2019 15:17

Well done OP. Suggest you write something for the national press before they write it for you.

AbigailMcGyn · 05/03/2019 17:35

Well done, OP.

Also CharleyParley your post is fantastic.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 05/03/2019 22:15

Fantastic well done

jeaux90 · 07/04/2019 13:23

Two falls, has there been any follow up?

I ask because I had to challenge the headmaster at my daughter's school in Oxfordshire recently about the policy.

JackyHolyoake · 07/04/2019 14:07

This paragraph from a letter recently published by some lawyers may be helpful here too because it explains in terms about comparators that are applicable to all circumstances :

"The Equality Act 2010 provides trans people with the important and necessary protection from discrimination on the basis of gender re-assignment. This is not the same as a general right of access to single sex spaces and services in all circumstances. It is established in case law that the comparator for a transgender person claiming discrimination in relation to gender re-assignment is not the sex which they are seeking transition to but that which they are seeking transition from. There are a number of exemptions for single sex spaces and services, for example sports (section 195) and communal accommodation, such as youth hostels or other shared sleeping and sanitary accommodation (Schedule 23 paragraph 3), which can be invoked for biological women only. These exemptions are equally important and necessary, for many different reasons, such as enabling women to compete safely in contact sports or to use shared sleeping accommodation where otherwise they might be unable (for example due to their religious or cultural background or past trauma)."

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