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#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 20/02/2019 12:19

Firing Martina from Allies is working out to be an own goal as more people stand up and speak out on this.

twitter.com/hashtag/TeamNavratilova?src=hash

We know how twitter works Hmm in regards to women speaking out so perhaps this thread could be a place to gather excellent quotes and pictures for people to spread across other platforms and show that Martina's views are shared not by a trickle of support but a tidal wave.

I feel in need of a very nice #TeamNavratilova picture to put on my fbook, any social media gurus around to advise?

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ScipioAfricanus · 12/05/2019 22:22

Too stupid to know the difference between a knighthood (damehood in the case of women, anyway) and an MBE, by the look of it.

FloralBunting · 12/05/2019 22:31

Gentry. PMSL.

Goosefoot · 12/05/2019 23:56

Sharon Davies has been divorced for a good while now, hasn't she? But in any case, identity politics types feel quite happy to tell black persons that they are racists if they don't toe the line, so I don't think their bar is very high.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 13/05/2019 00:51

— Ray Blanchard (@BlanchardPhD) May 11, 2019 - expert Ph.D. psychologist who helped write the official psychological position on transgender identity
pjmedia.com/trending/expert-psychologist-blocked-on-twitter-for-expressing-clinical-opinion-on-transgenderism/
The sex of a postoperative transsexual should be analogous to a legal fiction. This legal fiction would apply to some things (e.g., sex designation on a driver’s license) but not to others (entering a sports competition as one’s adopted sex).

twitter.com/HJJoyceEcon/status/1126898724087771136
Did no one consider getting some female athletes to join the panel to talk about the effect on them?

nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/andrew-sullivan-who-should-be-allowed-in-womens-sports.html
Who, after all, would want to live in a world like this — where we are all interchangeable, where nature is irrelevant, where men are the same as women, and where acknowledging the variations of humanity is relegated to the precincts of bigotry? How much drearier than the actual, diverse, fascinating natural world we live in.

www.dailysignal.com/2019/05/10/a-pediatrician-explains-how-dangerous-equality-act-would-force-doctors-to-do-harm/
You don’t get anymore anti-science than the claim that there are no biological differences between males and females. From fertilization, if you have a Y chromosome, you are male.

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 04/06/2019 16:14

This cartoon needs shared!
www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2019/05/29/future-womens-sports-one-cartoon-explainer/

There is a definite refreshing shift in the use of language recently to more accurately represent fact, especially in headlines. This seems like an excellent reflection of increasing public awareness and ongoing discussion with a growing refusal to be silenced.

This brilliant article clearly explains why language is important, please share widely.
uncommongroundmedia.com/banned-from-medium-pronouns-are-rohypnol/
You’ve had a lifetime’s experience learning to be alert to ‘him’ and relax to ‘her’. For good reason.

dailycaller.com/2019/05/30/columbia-journalism-review-transgender-athlete-debate/
It is standard journalistic practice to make a good faith effort to reach out to people on all sides of a given story, and to include critical voices and opinions in order to give readers a balanced and informed understanding of the matter.

www.theblaze.com/news/twitter-transgender-banned?xrs=RebelMouse_fb
If a relatively benign and common sense point – that women shouldn't be forced to compete against male powerlifters – can now get someone banned from the platform, Twitter is signaling an increasingly aggressive ideological enforcement regime

triblive.com/sports/biological-male-wins-ncaa-womens-track-championship/?printerfriendly=true
Do you believe that a person born as a male but identifying as a female should be allowed to compete in women’s competitive sports events? Poll answer NO currently at 92%

townhall.com/columnists/terryjeffrey/2019/05/22/house-votes-to-effectively-ban-womens-sports-n2546690
it is another indicator of how the American left's radical agenda forces it to deny objective facts. To justify their abortion agenda, they have long needed to argue that some human beings are not human beings...To justify their transgender agenda, they now argue that not all boys are boys.

www.dailysignal.com/2019/05/28/biological-male-wins-ncaa-womens-track-championship/
Telfer’s victory is just the latest instance of male athletes who identify as transgender entering—and then winning—female athletic events.

www.chicksonright.com/blog/2019/05/28/male-runner-wins-womens-ncaa-national-championship/
We’ve seen example after example of transgender women competing in women’s sports and beating the biological women. Take feelings out of the equation. It’s simply not fair.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/3/cece-telfer-franklin-pierce-transgender-hurdler-wi/
Telfer would’ve trailed the last-placed male finalists by more than a half-second in the 60-meter dash and almost 1.7 seconds in the 200, but won the woman’s 60-meter hurdles by a half-second.

www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ny-martina-navratilova-transgeder-athletes-documentary-20190525-4reeioldrzghhfl2tz6emolp54-story.html
The legendary tennis player Martina Navratilova was chosen as the host of a new documentary on transgender athletes...The film will also feature former swimmer Sharron Davies, who has said that "to protect women’s sport, those with a male sex advantage should not be able to compete in women’s sport.”

www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-48368630/ex-british-swimmer-sharron-davies-on-trans-women-in-sport
at an elite level the performance gap between men and women could be 10% to 20% and that this "potential benefit" cannot be ignored.

www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=3247
Hacke quotes Robert Johnson, who previously wrote on LetsRun.com, "The fact that Telfer can change [his] gender and immediately become a national champion is proof positive as to why women's sports needs protection."

A thread of stunning visuals...
twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1135604790472450049

savewomenssports.com/our-stories
We earned our spot on that track. We succeed because there is a level playing field. That needs to be protected. That needs to be honored. In my opinion, any woman who doesn’t agree isn’t and never was serious about her sport.

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1134180283887099904
Great to see top athlete @tamsynlewis speaking out in Australia. @sharrond62* @Martina @damekellyholmes @paulajradcliffe @AnaPaulaVolei*

www.2gb.com/it-really-concerns-me-top-aussie-runner-speaks-out-against-transgender-athlete/
2 x Commonwealth Games gold medallist Jane Flemming called in to add to Tamsyn’s comments, and tells Ben about the significant advantages men have over women.

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1135816174359535616

It is worth reading through the comments sections on relevant articles for reassurance that the public are having none of this and clearly want women's sports protected.

#XYSports
#SexNotGender

#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!
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SpeakUpXXWomen · 08/06/2019 13:54

Davies MBE speaks, WPUK on 10th July in London
twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1136679712984616961

IAAF update
twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1136595359998853120
www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/iaaf-response-swiss-federal-tribunal-dsd-regu
biology has to trump identity. The IAAF also believes the right to participate in sport does not translate to a right to self-identify into a competition category or an event

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1136542882784043008
This is a long but very well researched article on the lessons not learnt from the East German era in sport & how the benifits of Y chromosome maleness in female sport is unfair.
www.stateofswimming.com/a-waking-nightmare-for-womens-sport/
twitter.com/Daley_thompson/status/1136579117615370240

www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/social_issues/most_oppose_transgender_athletes_on_opposite_sex_teams
survey of 1,000 American Adults was conducted on May 28-29, 2019 by Rasmussen Reports

onenewsnow.com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2019/06/07/the-truth-about-transvestite-weightlifters
After all the effort to get performance enhancing drugs out of sports like baseball (think Mark Maguire) and cycling (Lance Armstrong), we now lionize the males who use drugs to squash female competition.

More on the continuing Obama/Trump influence here.
www.ft.com/content/065210f0-87f2-11e9-a028-86cea8523dc2
competitors with male bodies tend to beat their daughters on the athletics track. Yet it is a stance Democrats feel obliged to support

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1135808621244309504
The way forward is to have an XX protected class, so biological females get equal opportunities.

Fifa World Cup kicks off with some great news for Scotland manager Shelley Kerr
www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/shelley-kerr-awarded-mbe-on-eve-of-world-cup-opener/
She earned 59 caps for Scotland, captaining her country on multiple occasions and scoring three goals. Now, on the eve of Scotland’s debut at a FIFA World Cup, she has been given another honour to add to an ever-growing list. Shelley Kerr said: “It’s not often I’m lost for words but I was speechless when I found out I’ve been awarded an MBE and really surprised.

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 10/06/2019 10:46

Alex Scott is #TeamNavratilova!
www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/9224882/bbc-football-alex-scott-interview/
Should women be able to discuss the issue without being dismissed, as Martina Navratilova, Sharron Davies and Kelly Holmes have been, as bigots and transphobes? “Yes, absolutely. If you’re trying to fight for something then you should have a voice.”

#SexMatters

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DpWm · 10/06/2019 11:33

Superb

Datun · 10/06/2019 11:41

Brilliant stuff OP.

NoseringGirl · 10/06/2019 15:40

Ahh that makes me very happy!

SpeakUpXXWomen · 08/07/2019 18:23

It is all about the women Grin
www.outsports.com/2019/6/11/18660301/out-gay-lesbian-bi-2019-women-world-cup-soccer
www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/lesbian-visibility-women-s-world-cup-has-impact-far-field-n1026741
www.outsports.com/2019/6/10/18659118/stonewall-spirit-martina-navratilova-tennis-lesbian-transgender-lgbtq-athletes

Just to confirm since outsports seem confused,
www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2019/03/26/meet-renee-richards-sports-accidental-transgender-pioneer/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
Few are as well placed to comment as Richards who - perhaps surprisingly - is in agreement with Martina
www.outsports.com/2019/7/1/20677828/outsports-apologizes-after-navratilova-stonewall-spirit-honor-sparks
we couldn’t deny the history Martina has blazing a trail for women in sports as well as LGBQ people in sports Hmm Grin

Fair Play for Women
twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1147855558466293760
Why were women not asked about a policy that affects them?

www.newsmax.com/siddinerstein/transgender-athletes-women-sports/2019/07/01/id/922815/
girls’ sports are being threatened, all across the board. Martina Navratilova, legendary tennis champion, is sounding the loudest alarm.

www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/lgbtq-activism-overreach/
the Equality Act would devastate women’s sports by allowing males to compete and displace them and remove their right to sex-segregated spaces

Selina Soule moves forward with Title IX challenge.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3616111-Connecticut-high-school-athletes-file-Title-IX-complaint-over-mixed-sex-competition
www.westernjournal.com/ct/boys-compete-girls-teams-betos-new-plan-goes-effect/
One of the female competitors, junior Selina Soule, said that the allowance of biological male runners is unfair and demoralizing.
Selina at the sharp end
Soule and the other two complainants also want records of past races to be revised to retroactively disqualify biologically male students from the female events. CIAC should also be ordered by the government to issue a press release giving credit to every female who would have placed if not for the policy.
kfab.iheart.com/content/2019-07-01-democrats-only-support-women-follow-the-agenda-this-is-child-abuse/
no matter what, your best is never going to be enough
Petition here
#IStandWithSelina

thepoliticalinsider.com/beto-orourkes-lgbtq-plan-includes-forcing-schools-to-let-male-athletes-compete-in-girls-sports/
dailycaller.com/2019/06/12/beto-orourke-lgbtq-plan-transgender-athletes-girls-sports/
the reality is that putting male- and female-bodied athletes together is co-ed or open sport. And in open sport, females lose

There has been a great thread running on the BBC documentary here, bet the cutting room floor was interesting...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3593381-Martina-Navratilova-to-front-BBC1-transgender-athletes-doc

twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1147928219787702272
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/martina-navratilova-on-wimbledon-and-why-she-wont-be-silenced-in-the-trans-sport-debate-h5sw8bm2x?shareToken=168b48c6bed360e92d210487a88da03e
Most people are telling me I’m on the right side. But I was never worried about that. I was ahead of the curve on most things and we’ll see how the future will pan out. I don’t know which way it’s going to go. But I do know that if we do self-ID as the only determining factor, that’s the end of women’s sports as we know it.

Navratilova on the Marr show, about time!

We cannot let self-id take over and endanger women

dailycaller.com/2019/07/05/denny-trump-restrooms/
For many of us, this issue has become a defining moment for women’s rights. Forget the Supreme Court. It’s time for the Trump administration to step up and do its job enforcing Title IX.

Davies MBE
twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1147425309714780160
Gender is now a spectrum but sex is biology, scientifically proved & imperative it retains its proper definition in law. And the rights of different sexes are maintained where biology matters for safety & equal opportunities.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7218181/SHARRON-DAVIES-wont-let-trans-militants-drown-out.html

A Woman's Place is on the Podium, 10th July, London.
twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1147814413270945792
Without female-only categories there would be no @Martina, @Sharron62, @damekellyholmes, @paulajradcliffe**

Last inspiring word this post goes to Martina,
I can’t help myself. For me, my life has always been about fairness. And when I see something unfair, I speak up.

#SexMatters

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 19/07/2019 01:46

Shared by Linda Blade, Dr Emma Hilton (aka @FondOfBeetles) speaking at A Woman's Place is on The Podium Grin
twitter.com/coachblade/status/1151950880167493632

lnteresting response from Serena to goady question from female journo who rearranged BJK's words into "you should stop being a celebrity for a year and stop fighting for equality", obviously met with the withering disgust it deserved!
metro.co.uk/2019/07/13/serena-williams-hits-back-suggestions-focus-purely-tennis-wimbledon-defeat-10261938/
eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/tennis/2019/07/13/serena-williams-loses-her-3rd-consecutive-grand-slam-final/39684297/
"The day I stop fighting for equality and for people that look like you and me," Williams said, "will be the day I'm in my grave."

at 12.25

Fair Play For Women keep up the photo which tells truth and bears witness to three brave cheated women (and one misplaced man).
twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1149973912710733824
It's not the women in this photo who should be hanging their heads.

www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/45741
We just cannot stop thinking about Feagaiga Stowers.

Washington Times make a point of naming cheated woman.
m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/15/laurel-hubbard-transgender-weightlifter-wins-two-g/
the woman in second place was Samoa’s Feagaiga Stowers

Hubbard's Gold is not going down well...
www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1082150/hubbard-participation-in-games-unfair
Samoa 2019 chairman Loau Solamalemalo Keneti Sio has joined the debate over weightlifter Laurel Hubbard's participation in the women's over-87 kilograms here, calling it "unfair" after the transgender lifter won two gold medals.

The Prime Minister of Samoa is #TeamNavratilova
www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/45971
Prime Minister, Tuilaepa Dr. Sa'ilele Malielegaoi, has appealed to the Pacific Games Council to address concerns surrounding the eligibility of transgender athletes to compete against women...also questioned the independence of the International sporting bodies as well as the respective governments.

Former Samoa international and long-time Wasps rugby player Dan Leo speaks up,
www.rugbypass.com/news/dan-leo-smashes-head-long-into-transgender-athlete-debate-on-twitter
The only thing more disturbing than the @Olympics* committee’s decision to allow transgender men to compete against women-sometimes dangerously so- is the DEAFENING silence of MEN on the issue…

Bioethicist, Associate Professor Lynley Anderson, Dr Taryn Knox and physiologist Professor Alison Heather call for a third option.
www.miragenews.com/otago-researchers-call-for-gender-binary-in-elite-sports-to-be-abandoned-to-cater/
www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/otago-researchers-say-its-unfair-trans-women-compete-other-elite-level-call-creation-third-division
www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12250219
Otago University researchers are calling for gender binary divisions in elite sports to be scrapped, after finding it unfair for transwomen to compete against other women.

www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/transforming-the-world-of-sports/22673
Males invading female sports may regard themselves as abolitionists carrying a flag of freedom for transwomen. What they really are is colonialists staging a coup for their own benefit.

The London Football Academy
twitter.com/LFASoccerSchool/status/1151396977667649536
We must fight against male born athletes competing in female sport.

Rupert Cox of Sky Sports
twitter.com/RupertCoxSKY/status/1102996243540783104
As a MAN, I whole heartedly agree with this. If I identified as a woman, no matter how my testosterone was suppressed, I would retain a towering advantage over any pro female rugby player.

Navratilova retweets;
twitter.com/LesbianScythian/status/1149748490022608897
If your feminism centers the feelings of people born male over the boundaries, autonomy, consent, culture, community, laws, privacy, dignity, and safety of people born female it’s not feminism. It’s men’s rights activism.

#SexMatters

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Datun · 19/07/2019 06:42

Bravo, OP. What a fantastic thread this is.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 19/07/2019 07:42

That was a good positive read for a Friday morning - thank you OP.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 11/09/2019 13:16

Long overdue update prompted by Navratilova herself speaking up last evening on STV.
stv.tv/news/scotland/1440660-navratilova-tricky-to-include-trans-women-in-women-s-sport/
By including transgender women in women's and girls' sports, now the women and girls that are playing, it's like 'wait a minute, I'm looking at someone that is much bigger, much stronger than I am, how is that fair?'
twitter.com/thetimesscot/status/1171404315870806016

www.dailywire.com/news/50065/womens-groups-trans-athletes-males-competing-james-barrett
With the Tokyo Olympics looming, women's groups in New Zealand and the U.K. are sounding the alarm over the threat posed to the integrity of women's sports by biological males who identify as females being allowed to compete against females.

Speak Up For Women NZ petition here,
www.ipetitions.com/petition/speak-up-for-womens-sport?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=&loc=view-petition

www.samoaobserver.ws/category/street_talk/45812
www.samoaobserver.ws/category/letters/45790
For a transgender to be allowed to compete with women is beyond outrageous, only a fool will believe that a man who has undergone surgery for a sex change will fully become woman in bone structure and muscle mass.

Welsh Rugby - epic fail.
twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/08/25/sit-down-blue-check-tries-shaming-women-who-are-not-joyful-about-transgender-women-taking-part-in-their-sports/
Women should not be expected to ADAPT to being clobbered by dudes in their sports league!

The comments on this fluffy piece are all about FACT!
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/29/juniper-eastwood-transgender-runner-compete-agains/
Eastwood is a Belgrade High School graduate and has been competing in men’s cross-country and track since middle school. She was a standout athlete in high school and won state titles in multiple men’s races.

www.bendirs.co.uk/single-post/2019/08/29/Transwomen-in-womens-sport---stunning-and-brave-or-a-problem-that-needs-addressing
if that sounds discriminatory, then so is refusing to allow adults to compete against children or able-bodied people to compete against disabled people

Male coach speaks up.
www.dailywire.com/news/51023/girls-volleyball-coach-rejects-school-districts-paul-bois
In my opinion, it's very irresponsible for the league to place these young women, who are minors, in an elevated level of risk

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1161947878870396928
twitter.com/HJJoyceEcon/status/1160586695542280192
distincttoday.net/2019/08/18/kent-transgender-cricketer-reignites-row-over-who-should-be-allowed-to-play-womens-sports/
sacrificing the women’s game is not the answer. If you were born male you can’t play female sport – it is as simple as that.

www.dailywire.com/news/50743/prager-meanwhile-what-lgbtq-organizations-are-dennis-prager
Because the Western world cowers before LGBTQ demands, no matter how unfair they are to women athletes, men who deem themselves female must be allowed to compete against women. They almost always win.

Again the comments tell a truer story.
www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/03/back-school-day-arlington-va-includes-gender-neutral-sports-uniforms-preferred-pronouns/
Keffler also questioned how these policies would influence Title IX protections for female athletes.

www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?559704-Feds-to-probe-whether-Conn.-transgender-athlete-policy-violated-girls-civil-rights
www.dailywire.com/news/50501/feds-probe-whether-conn-transgender-athlete-policy-amanda-prestigiacomo
theconservativemom.com/2019/08/12/feds-investigating-connecticuts-transgender-athlete-policy/
The Office of Civil Rights, under Education Secretary Betsy DeVos will finally begin investigating whether Connecticut’s transgender athletic policy is willfully violating the civil rights of female athletes.

twitter.com/SaveWomensSport/status/1169247009435508736
Check out this transgender cycling team that consists of all biological males that proudly race against women.

An important and very contrived case to watch here,
townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2019/09/03/if-anyone-can-be-a-woman-then-no-one-is-a-woman-n2552516
The Independent Women's Forum filed a brief discussing the consequences that the Supreme Court's ruling in this case will have on female sports and female athletes.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/olympic-star-mary-peters-charges-into-trans-athletes-row-mn5fb6nch
Lady Peters, who won gold in the women’s pentathlon at the 1972 Olympics, said she did not agree that “people who had changed their gender” and still had high levels of the sex hormone testosterone “could compete on equal terms” with biological women.

Davies named ambassador for The National Emergency Services Memorial, whilst recovering from hip fracture!
www.nesm.org.uk/staff?uid=sharron-davies-mbe
twitter.com/TScholesFogg/status/1171354861969006592

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1171203319915843584
male advantage is derived from a physiological process that females cannot physically access. That makes it an ‘unfair advantage’.

Magdalen Berns, warrior.
twitter.com/Glinner/status/1169285110526611456
“This is hard,” she said, meaning, her cancer, dying. “Speaking out isn’t hard, compared to this.”

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teawamutu · 26/10/2019 09:07

Thought it might be worth updating this with some of the new joiners.

Former Olympian hurdler Andy Turner was peaked by Sharron Davies: twitter.com/andyturner110h/status/1187747994713690112?s=17

teawamutu · 26/10/2019 09:11

The utterly marvellous Team GB's James Ellington: twitter.com/Jellington100m?s=17

teawamutu · 26/10/2019 09:13

Olympian long jumper Chris Tomlinson: twitter.com/LongJumpChris/status/1187460175214600192?s=17

teawamutu · 26/10/2019 09:17

I think Olympic bronze medalist Marilyn Okoro is with us - she retweeted Andy Turner.

Datun · 26/10/2019 09:31

Encouraging update teawamutu. It looks like this might be having a snowballing effect.

teawamutu · 26/10/2019 09:35

Reckon so, Datun. A switch from 'are we the baddies if we say something?' to realising, no fuck it this ISN'T fair.

NotBadConsidering · 26/10/2019 10:04

I imagine no one ever thought it was fair, but Martina and Sharron have given everyone the opportunity to say so knowing they aren’t alone.

teawamutu · 26/10/2019 10:11

Probably not, but there's the whole 'right side of history' shittery and 'oh well, what harm?' and 'be kind, they're the most oppressed' shtick to be overcome before people feel comfortable saying anything.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 26/10/2019 11:20

It's gradually becoming more hopeful.

HumberHellraiser · 26/10/2019 11:26

There are a lot of male athletes speaking out. it’s obvious that female athletes, especially those currently competing, are being actively silenced probably via threats of discipline, pulled funding, dismissal etc. Most women in sport are still massively vulnerable if they speak up. It’s a horrible bind after a lifetime commitment to your sporting career - either put up/shut up and hope to get placed somewhere in the medals or speak up for fairness and be piled on, threatened and publicly shamed.