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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 20/02/2019 12:19

Firing Martina from Allies is working out to be an own goal as more people stand up and speak out on this.

twitter.com/hashtag/TeamNavratilova?src=hash

We know how twitter works Hmm in regards to women speaking out so perhaps this thread could be a place to gather excellent quotes and pictures for people to spread across other platforms and show that Martina's views are shared not by a trickle of support but a tidal wave.

I feel in need of a very nice #TeamNavratilova picture to put on my fbook, any social media gurus around to advise?

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donquixotedelamancha · 26/02/2019 22:47

I hope you will consider engaging with experts who are trans like @TheChrisMosier. I am also happy to give you some of the political context and how anti-LGBTQ lawmakers are primed to exploit any suggestion that trans women are really men.

Ugh. That Chase Strangio (seriously, is he a Bond villain?) is a patronising git. I'm sure Martina has no clue about the political context in the US and needs a man to explain it.

boatyardblues · 26/02/2019 23:54

^I hope you will consider engaging with experts who are trans like @TheChrisMosier. I am also happy to give you some of the political context and how anti-LGBTQ lawmakers are primed to exploit any suggestion that trans women are really men

The TL:DR version: get back in your box little lady.

andyoldlabour · 27/02/2019 09:10

WomaninBoots

"A thread on another forum, also not known for mincing words, started and then stopped... with a couple of the more GC posts being edited... almost as if they had been told to edit them."

Yes, I believe that on certain forums debate is being closed down. On the following cycling forum, probably the best known in the World, the administrator - King Boonen - tells people what they can and cannot do, and maintains the flat earth theory approach, that there is no science to prove that transwomen have an advantage over women in sport.

forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34331

andyoldlabour · 27/02/2019 09:20

Any scientist should be able to debate McKinnon and make him look like an idiot. The following link shows the difference in testosterone levels between men and women at various ages, and there is a huge disparity, particularly at puberty.
Of course, simply taking testosterone and mentioning nothing else is worthless, so the effects that testosterone has on the rest of the body must be stressed.
The reason why McKinnon is a six feet tall fourteen stone hulk (in cycling terms) is because of all the physiological attributes which exist because of being born a man.

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323085.php

MillytantForceit · 27/02/2019 09:23

The argument being put is that the level of testosterone in the body during the actual race confers no advantage.

Talk about missing the point.

andyoldlabour · 27/02/2019 09:30

"Talk about missing the point."

Exactly, and this is why a sports scientist/biologist/physiologist needs to be brought into these debates, also an elite female athlete.

EweSurname · 27/02/2019 09:31

When the level of argument is also "Why would a penis benefit male tennis players - it's not like it helps in holding a racket" then there are probably issues with the discourse.

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 27/02/2019 11:01

Not strictly sport but definitely #iStand WithMartina If you have time and a bit of patience today this is a bit of an eye opener. There is a video here about academic rebel Dr Jordan Peterson. 8.00 in is astounding.
twitter.com/MarxismIsEvil/status/1100689593202950145
the idea seems to be ... if someone says something you don't like you just lay out the longest list of pejoratives that your imagination can generate and hope ... that one sticks, it's getting downright dull!

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 28/02/2019 22:01

Zuby is Twitter's heroine right now! Totally #TeamNavratilova Smile
twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1100685570425135104
Most people say stunning and brave. Thank you.

An interesting request here -
@BBCWomansHour @janegarvey1 will you be covering the #TeamNavratilova story?

An old link to the weightlifting story
www.samoaobserver.ws/en/23_03_2017/local/18224/Woman-lifter-beaten-by-transgender-speaks-up.htm

Selina Soule speaks up
twitter.com/Femmetastic3/status/1100692317604904965
Incredible interviewER with an incredibly smart young woman, real class. GET YOUR PARENTS INVOLVED!

#Team Navratilova
#iStandWithMartina

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 01/03/2019 01:09

#Team Navratilova
#iStandWithMartina

medium.com/@aniobrien/misogyny-to-the-left-of-me-chauvinism-to-the-right-here-i-am-stuck-in-the-middle-with-you-4d48de1babca
Men have exploited the resources of everything and anything they have ever come across. They have been void of the very scruples demanded of women.

Slightly off topic but needs spread far and wide,
blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/
Treatments for under 18 gender dysphoric children and adolescents remain largely experimental...The current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice.

quillette.com/2019/02/27/confronting-a-new-threat-to-female-athletics/
I want to be inclusive, but this issue is one place where I [now] can’t shut up.”

spectator.us/womens-sports-consist-men/

www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/womens-sports-transgender-athletes-controversy-martina-navratilova/
Transgender athlete breaks record on women’s sprint . . . Transgender boxer breaks woman’s jaw . . . Nope, still not inspired.

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EweSurname · 01/03/2019 17:30

Sally Gunnell is retweeted a FairPlay for women leaflet!

mobile.twitter.com/SallyGunnell/status/1101489009023438850

SpeakUpXXWomen · 01/03/2019 17:59

YES!

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picklemepopcorn · 01/03/2019 18:31

Ben Bradley MP has retweeted in support of Martina, too.

EweSurname · 01/03/2019 18:34

Karen Pickering MBE

mobile.twitter.com/Karen_Pickering/status/1101510130636607488

EweSurname · 01/03/2019 18:35

Have I finally got the hang of this thread? Grin

SpeakUpXXWomen · 01/03/2019 18:51

Star to EweSurname who is clearly #TeamNavratilova

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 01/03/2019 19:11

Add Sally Gunnell (who tagged @J_Ennis ffs!) calling for women to speak out to the glorious Joan McAlpine's statement yesterday and #TeamNavratilova is like...

#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!
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Bluestitch · 01/03/2019 19:21

Rod Liddle on this-

spectator.us/womens-sports-consist-men/

MrsJamin · 01/03/2019 19:32

Sharron Davies thread is amazing! Nicola Adams now supporting #teamnavratilova!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/03/2019 19:36

Nicola Adams, oh my!
She's so much younger than most of the rest of them so that could be quite significant.

ChattyLion · 01/03/2019 19:41

Yay!!! Nicola Adams! She is fabulous.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 01/03/2019 19:49

Oh and it's Sharron Davies who is tagging Ennis and everyone else, she is on a mission #iStandWithMartina

Becky Addlington has shared her post and is on #TeamNavratilova
mobile.twitter.com/BeckAdlington

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rightreckoner · 01/03/2019 19:57

Love this. It's a who's who of women in sport. Go Martina, Sharron, Kelly, Becky, Sally, Nicola Grin

I am not at all a sports fan. I have no sporting ability. But all these women have inspired me over the years. Seeing their excellence and their fierce competitiveness. That picture that's at the top of Sharron's Twitter page - abso-fucking-lutely amazing. That is what a woman is. Well, it's one version of many (I don't look like that!) But that's what an amazing woman in sport looks like. Female bodied and awesome. Not Rachel McKinnon and her penis Confused Envy (not envy)

Go! Go! Go!

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