So did all these women who previously identified as trans men, begin by identifying as non-binary?
I called myself non-binary at one time, for a while, when I thought it just meant that you reject gender stereotypes. I called myself non-binary but always still called myself a woman even though I didn't really like that word, 'girl ' was ok though, and female, and didn't even cross my mind to change pro-nouns. I didn't realise that people calling themselves "non-binary" actually don't think they are women or men, don't want to be referred to as women or men, and even reject that they are female or male. Have I got this right because that's what it seems like now? Change their pro-nouns for some reason, and I see them policing women like some trans women and trans men and their 'allies' do, about what they are allowed to say and do about themselves. Like "don't talk or have placards about your biology (on a women's march,or indeed anywhere) it's exclusionary and transphobic!", "don't reduce people to their biology" then in the next breath "call yourselves menstruators, not women! you're being exclusionary and transphobic!", Also not 'allowed to use the word female either as again non-binary don't want that, as well as trans men and trans women. Our existence upsets everyone basically. I recently found out some people calling themselves non-binary even seek hormone treatment and some surgeries. Including children, in some countries. Not to go all the way not make themselves transition to the opposite gender/sex, but to I don't know... To alter themselves in some way, to become a mix, something 'inbetween ' or to feel 'their outer expresses their inner' I don't know...??
My experience is people on Tumblr negatively influencing, conditioning, obsessing, brainwashing, misrepresenting, miseducating, posting false info, manipulating, re-moulding (or moulding in the case of children) people's worldviews (and views about themselves) and language to revolve around and fit the trans ideology, rules to stick to, telling people what to do, what to say, and how to get what they want, outlandish dangerous "how-to" ideas, how/where to get meds off the net without a doc, giving scripts having list of arguments and responses to use, bullying of those straying from groupthink, co-ercing, finding new ways to be oppressed, lies, uninformed, unhealthy cult -like brainwashing echo chamber...
I also think there is definitely a personality type that gets a thrill out of this.
*In another thread that I can't find now, about someone calling themselves non-binary I looked at the list they wrote about their personality characteristics, their likes and dislikes and abilities and why this makes them "non-binary ", I copied and pasted as I was writing a response, I would post it here but I don't know if it's been deleted for some reason but... wtf... was that serious?
We want a society that is not heavily based on "gender definitions" as this person said . What you do is break down "gender definitions" aka gender stereotypes by saying fuck your "gender definitions" , women can be all of this and more, and so can men. Not by saying you're not a woman anymore.
Most people do not fit the stereotypes in some way or another. I don't. That doesn't change the fact that my sex is female and I'm a woman. I actually thought we were successfully breaking gender stereotypes, then all this gender nonsense started to be pushed heavily out of nowhere, pretending to be progressive, but actually it is going backwards for people who simply don't fit in the highly stereotypical and restrictive gender boxes put on us from birth because of our sex, due to societal conditioning.
People calling themselves non-binary thinking they are working against gender stereotypes or gender 'definitions ' as that other post said. - nah. You're not working against anything really, you're upholding the idea that man and woman are those "gender definitions", because you're saying that because you're a mix of those " gender definitions " that you're no longer a woman because apparently women can't be some of those things, and you're saying you're not a man, because apparently men can't be some of those things. That's the message you are giving. You are upholding these definitions/stereotypes. And by the way who told them they are "gender definitions" that's what they are not, they are gender stereotypes and gender roles that we are conditioned to conform to.
And it's like there is some sort of shame felt about the word "woman" and what is associated to it, so they abandon the word, instead of changing what "woman" stands for.
Feeling masculine around a BBQ, when flipping a burger, my gosh how many hours they've spent contemplating and obsessing on this to the minute detail of how they feel when flipping a burger? And what does "feeling masculine" mean hmmm? This is very much upholding "gender definitions" / gender stereotypes. But somehow they think are doing the opposite.*