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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A detransitioner gives powerful and devastating warning against medical transition.

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waterlego6064 · 05/01/2019 09:13

I saw this in a group on FB, it’s originally from reddit, I believe. Sorry if this has already been shared here.

It is really powerful and I wish all gender questioning youngsters could read it.

A detransitioner gives powerful and devastating warning against medical transition.
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vicviking · 05/01/2019 09:33

Would be great if they could put that on a slide for phse class.

vicviking · 05/01/2019 09:33

They being teachers

SnuggyBuggy · 05/01/2019 09:38

We tend to think of people who transition as young and edgy but it will be interesting to see what challenges they face physically as the body ages.

Iused2BanOptimist · 05/01/2019 10:35

That seems to sum it up nicely. It should be blown up into massive posters and put up everywhere.
(Imagining the frothing at the mouth of Dr Hardup...Grin)

Micke · 05/01/2019 10:48

Bloody hell. That is a powerful post.

R0wantrees · 05/01/2019 11:13

I've just watched this powerful speech and testimony,
'Rene Jax at Gender Identity Forum in Manchester, New Hampshire'

Rene Jax has not 'de-transitioned' & explains why at the end of the speech.

Also worth watching Patrick's recent videos, he's very eloquent:
'Detransition (in English) - My reasons and the risks of transitioning'
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDMts05-xyA

'Detransition (in English) - Why gender-affirming therapy is dangerous!'
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=919&v=51ymDtHByGE

Important interview with a woman with undiagnosed ptsd as a consequence of being sexually abused as a child who had 'transgender affirming' medical interventions prescribed wrongly:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3414138-Im-not-meant-to-be-a-bloke-Woman-who-changed-gender-to-become-man-called-Lee-says-sex-swap-was-a-huge-mistake?

current relevent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3466053-A-realistic-account-of-transitioning

Qcng · 05/01/2019 11:14

Just wondering, is this person former MtF or FtM?

TinyRick · 05/01/2019 11:57

It reads like a former transwoman to me. But I could be wrong.

waterlego6064 · 05/01/2019 12:08

I think the person in the Reddit post is a MTF transitioner, but that is just an assumption.

It really is a powerful post. Enjoy your life, enjoy your healthy body, stop navel-gazing and LIVE!

But that message will not hit home with many of them. I think a lot of younger people are more willing to take risks with their bodies in general (drug use etc) because they can’t imagine what it’s like to not have a healthy body. I remember it myself, and recall older people saying: ‘As long as you’ve got your health...’ That didn’t resonate with me at all when I was young, but now aged 41 with physical things starting to deteriorate just a little (and friends developing health problems) I absolutely get it.

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R0wantrees · 05/01/2019 13:36

Rene Jax talks about Walt Heyer's experience in her speech linked above.

Review of Heyer's book:
'30 Transgender Regretters Come Out Of The Closet
‘Trans Life Survivors’ is a godsend for people struggling with trans regret, no matter what stage of transition or de-transition they are in.'
(extract)
"Walt Heyer knows firsthand what it’s like to undergo sex change surgery and then regret it. After living as a woman for nearly a decade, he decided to accept his biological sex and de-transition back to male. By then, Walt had received intensive cognitive therapy that helped him recognize early childhood trauma he had experienced.

The trauma resulted in a mental condition known as dissociative identity disorder (DID). In the clarity of that realization, his gender dysphoria simply vanished. His life as a “woman” all amounted to an attempt to escape reality. Sadly, too few people consider the possibility that gender dysphoria can manifest as a byproduct or symptom of other mental conditions, and most certainly of DID. (More on that below.)

Walt suffered huge waves of regret as a result of following through with his urge to be a woman. He had eagerly taken the bait of politicized medical practitioners, who hurried him along in the transition. He not only regretted what he had done to his body, he also grieved over the estrangement from his wife and children caused by his drastic change in identity.

There was collateral damage to other personal relationships as well. He also regretted the lost decade of his life in which he lived in the persona of a woman.

Heyer’s New Book Shines Light on Trans Life Survivors
Heyer has written several books on transgender regret, but his sixth and newest book, “Trans Life Survivors,” is not his personal story. It’s a compilation of the stories of many others caught up in today’s “transmania.” They specifically sought out Walt to get some much-needed support. They’ve shared their lonely, surreal experiences falling down the trans rabbit hole, hoping to escape as he did.

Walt’s correspondents describe a wide range of frustrating and confusing experiences. Some are nudged into transgenderism by social pressures and emotional manipulation. Many are hastily sent into surgery without adequate counseling (or any counseling at all), or are misdiagnosed. Some of those regret their decision very shortly after having irreversible surgery.

Many concerns about childhood traumas are ignored by therapists who are politically motivated to push as many patients as possible into sex change. They also fear intense ostracism and vicious backlash from the trans community if they “come out” as a potential de-transitioner.

Walt wrote “Trans Life Survivors,” he says, because he wants others “to catch a glimpse of the raw emotions and experiences of people who are harmed by the grand – and dangerous – experiment of cross-sex hormones and surgical affirming procedures.”

Helping Others Escape the Trans Rabbit Hole
For many years, Heyer’s website was virtually the only place for a trans regretter to get some relief from the social and political pressures crashing down. Many of his readers express a joyful sense of liberation in knowing that they are not all alone." (continues)
thefederalist.com/2019/01/03/30-transgender-regretters-come-closet-new-book/

embedded link to Heyer's website:
www.sexchangeregret.com/

Vegilante · 05/01/2019 13:48

I think a lot of younger people are more willing to take risks with their bodies in general (drug use etc) because they can’t imagine what it’s like to not have a healthy body.

Healthy-youth privilege? Or just healthy-body privilege?

Needmoresleep · 05/01/2019 14:11

I don't know if anyone else remembers it, but there was a very sad account of an Australian MtF, which was linked here perhaps six months ago who detransitioned and at around the age of 30 felt left in a form of social and sexual limbo.

My feeble attempts at Google failed as the top hits were all Australians trying to deny that detransition was anything but very rare. Does anyone remember it.

I think these testimonies are very important. Most mothers with a gender confused child will worry about both the health and social/infertility risks of hormones and surgery. It seems obvious, and so useful to have at least anecdotal evidence (with ideally some proper research - if ever there was an area that needed research money...).

This is why I find Susie Green and Mimmymum the most frightening people in this "debate". I dont care what consenting adults do, as long as the vulnerable (people with MH or trauma who decide to transition, or vulnerable women in places like prisons) are protected.

I worry that the narrative now suggests that testimony from detransitioners/regretters is akin to some form of deprogramming. I have every sympathy for those with gender dysphoria, and the Rene Jax talk is very worth watching. But what we are seeing now appears to be little more than a cult religion.

Needmoresleep · 05/01/2019 15:09

Tried again to find the article I remember. No luck, but I did find this historic piece from the Guardian. I doubt they would publish it now:

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/31/health.socialcare

Katvonbatshit · 05/01/2019 15:38

Just read the go fund me of a British 17 year old trying to get money of their twitter followers to buy private health care.... presumably cross sex hormones?

The poor kid wants to fit in better at sixth form. God the whole thing is depressing.

Neurotrash · 05/01/2019 15:51

I've just watched this powerful speech and testimony,
'Rene Jax at Gender Identity Forum in Manchester, New Hampshire'

How ironic that the next film YouTube offers me was Susie Green's.

Rene talking about how 40 years of hormones has wrecked their body; started at 17.

And what Rene's mother said the day before she died:

"If someone takes the time to tell you the truth; listen to them."

welshgendercrit · 05/01/2019 15:57

Thanks for that link Needmoresleep You're right, I don't think it would be published now, which is a shame as it's a good article, making important points. Interesting to see that at that date (2004) fewer than one in ten transsexuals were FtM. How times have changed.

Micke · 05/01/2019 16:56

Healthy-youth privilege? Or just healthy-body privilege?

I think youth - I was very blaze about the idea of cosmetic surgery when I was young. Since having 2 c-sections, I'm not prepared to entertain it as an option - even easy operations, that I didn't feel were traumatic, leave a lingering reluctance to voluntarily do it again.

I still have a healthy body (well, I'm getting on a bit, but in general it does what it should), and I would like to keep it that way - but it's definitely the unpleasantness of having myself cut into that I'm avoiding, not the risks that go along with surgery.

Needmoresleep · 05/01/2019 19:42

Yes Welsh. And not only on this topic. A good researched article, identifying issues and one that is not telling you what you ought to think. What on earth happened to the Guradian.

But more importantly what happened to us, where "charities" are being funded by the Big Lottery to push children into medical interventions that they might regret. Yes it will be the right decision for some. But everyone needs to take time out to consider the long term risks and implications and to explore the motives behind wanting surgical or hormonal treatments.

R0wantrees · 05/01/2019 19:45

There are a lot of links and personal testimonies collated here:
www.peaktrans.org/detransitioning/

WaverleyOwl · 05/01/2019 20:21

Thank you R0wantrees for the link to that talk by Rene Jax. It was informative, unsettling and heart breaking.

R0wantrees · 05/01/2019 21:22

Waverley Someone shared it today on another thread & I agree, its very moving and compelling. I'm sorry I can't remember who.

There's a link to a program with Rene Jax and Walt Heyer on the 'PeakTrans' page above.

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