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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mixed-sex toilets in schools - children's actual views?

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Oldstyle · 12/02/2019 19:19

Do we know what kids actually think about this? Planners & policy-makers seem to feel it's not a problem, and that it lessens bullying (no idea how) although it is currently illegal in Wales for children over 8 years old apparently.
Lleisiau Merched Cymru/Women's Voices Wales are asking for feedback from girls (or boys) who have mixed-sex toilets in their schools. Ideally from Wales but also from other parts of the UK. So is there any real-life evidence either way?

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BarbarianMum · 15/02/2019 14:02

Following previous discussions of this on here I polled my ds1 and his friends (so sample size 6) about this and all preferred the mixed sex loos off the main atrium, as felt they were cleaner and less intimidating than closed off single sex loos elsewhere in the building. The girls felt this more strongly than the boys although again - small sample size.

Oldstyle · 15/02/2019 23:29

This issue, and the Lleisiau Merched Cymru has been picked up by Wales Online - good, straightforward, factual report. Makes a nice change.
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/pupils-missing-school-because-dont-15839558?fbclid=IwAR1bR6DaTYHTCRrIJTcY2aXSYMe6i-rbWhqYAGqYyXsqUx0HXVO7cL7Q-LE

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Oldstyle · 19/04/2019 10:05

This survey closes at the end of the month so would appreciate any more points of view - from parents, teachers and children.
There's increasing evidence that children are not consulted (despite the claims) and that neither girls nor boys prefer mixed-sex / gender neutral facilities although many do like the 'open to the corridor' anti-bullying option in its own right. Placement of sanitary products remains problematic as does the tendency of boys to wee in all directions (no surprises there).
Lleisiau Merched / Women's Voices Wales will be sharing the survey results on social media and with relevant individuals / groups / schools in Wales.

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R0wantrees · 19/04/2019 10:26

Times
Gender‑neutral toilets: My daughter was called selfish for wanting girls‑only loos at school
by Kelli Neale
June 26 2018
(extract)
However, yesterday ministers announced that they had “no intention” of changing laws that allow for single-sex toilets and changing rooms. And this means that whether a shop or cinema has unisex or single-sex facilities remains at its discretion.

For me this story has a particular, personal resonance. Last September my daughter came home from her co-ed school crying. “Oh no,” she said. “They’ve made the toilets unisex.”

“What, all of them?”

“Yes.” (continues)

concludes:
"The weeks passed and my daughter — along with others who were unhappy with the new loos — kept complaining, but their complaints fell on deaf ears. They were told to put up and shut up and think of others. As a parent, this felt wrong. Did only the transgender voice matter? What about my daughter’s voice? Shouldn’t both be listened to?

My daughter saw red. She started a petition for boys, girls and gender-neutrals to sign. Hundreds did. She insisted that a school council meeting be held and unisex toilets discussed. They were. And you know what? Eventually hers and other unhappy voices were listened to. And against the odds the toilets were quietly changed back to how they had been, with a smaller provision of unisex toilets kept for those who choose to use them.

It’s been a tough but fulfilling school year in which my child has learnt that if you’re passionate enough about something, you can effect change.

Don’t think for one minute, however, that she’s not sensitive to the transgender child. She is. She just wants everyone’s voices to be heard. It’s not about changing the law one way or the other. It’s about making sure that there’s provision for people of all genders or non-genders and that everyone feels comfortable everywhere."
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/genderneutral-toilets-my-daughter-was-called-selfish-for-wanting-girlsonly-loos-at-school-cwth60b2c

Oldstyle · 19/04/2019 10:45

Thanks Rowan - cheering stuff.

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EvaHarknessRose · 19/04/2019 14:03

School put in a set of unisex toilets last year, dds said no way would they go in there. I just asked a few days ago how the toilets were going. They said they and their friends had never used them, they weren’t sure if some people did.

Oldstyle · 19/04/2019 14:44

Did they say why Eva? Or is it simply a preference for the single-sex ones (that I assume still exist in the school)?

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