"innie vagina"

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I just came across this. Posted by a feminist friend as a prime example of douchebags out there. However, his vaginal specification was rather striking. Is this a new way of referring to women? Never heard of it before. Not sure I ever want to again. I pity any woman who sleeps with a man who compares vaginas to bellybuttons...

I'm more offended by the use of the term half cast than innie vagina.

you know what

this "wanting a small woman" thing

It is so awful
I was a small woman, and still am fairly
I was small and blonde and pretty
I was also not happy with my role as small pretty blonde girl

This idea about wanting short height small frame
We can have and often do have (because of how we are treated) fucking massive fuck you personalities

They don't want tiny women
They want submissive women
And tiny is shorthand
But it's not is it because women are people

The ANGER from men that I experienced as a teen / young woman when as a small woman with a personality was … a lot.

Of course I'm only a small blonde white woman the experience of women from other cultures with small + female+ racist expectations is horrifying.

This just seems a bit too OTT to me. I seriously doubt it's real tbh.

I think a lot of women going for "cosmetic" labiaplasty really would benefit first from looking at something like The Vulva Book or that Me and My Vulva photography project first to realize vulvas come in all shapes, sizes, and appearances, and that is a beautiful thing. I think it is poor ethical practice for surgeons not to insist they first do so, along with seek counseling for body image. Sure, maybe those persons will seek out another doctor with lower ethical standards, but so be it.

I was watching the first seasons of Botched Up Bodies a few weeks ago, and one of the women who features over a couple episodes in first season had a botched labiaplasty, a surgery she did all because she felt she did not look like other women. She had gone on after her surgery for 7 years in pain and only more self-consciousness (and with botched cosmetic outcome as well) before getting repairs via multiple reconstructive surgeries. The entire time I just thought, I bet you anything her labia were absolutely fine (not that I need to bet, because they were, there was nothing to indicate she actually had anything significantly disabling about her labia).

"Vaginal rejuvenation" seems to be the new term for these procedures (also including clitoral hood reduction, etc), which is a term that I think belies the risks of extensive nerve damage/sensory loss, painful scarring, etc and it seems increasingly very young women, including teenagers, are pursuing it because disgusting misogynists like in OP feed into the insecurity. Seriously, vaginal rejuvenation sounds like your vagina is just going to the day spa, doesn't it? So refreshing!

I have longer labia. I can attest even as a woman who has been active in sports for her entire life, from running, to bike riding, to wrestling, and on, my labia have never "chafed" in my underwear, or lack of them. If someone is suffering "chafing" from their underwear, they probably need 1. a larger size and/or 2. different underwear. Yes, there were times when I was younger I wondered if my labia were "normal", but then I saw lots of other vulvas and realized, there is no standard for normal, therefore everything is normal.

In my experience, any man who I allow to come near my vulva & vagina 1. does not care whether my labia like to hide or show themselves because 2. if they were those types of men they would not be allowed to come near my vulva & vagina.

"Innie" vagina and "outie" vagina, though biologically incorrect, is definitely a less offensive term then some I have heard used in the wild - not that it excuses the use of the terms.

To be fair lots of women have preference for circumcised guys etc.

Obviously a spoof though?

To be fair lots of women have preference for circumcised guys etc.

Which is often based on...nonsense and myth. Ask them why and it is almost always appearance - based on what they are used to. Many women I know who have said this have also confessed they have never actually been involved with an uncircumcised man, and if you asked them could not tell the difference between an erect circumcised penis and an uncircumcised one.

Circumcision rates are much higher in US than in say, UK.

I am in Canada where they have been going down more and more (it is not recommended as a routine practice and rates are at about 32%).

You know what the only difference I have noticed with a circumcised penis and an uncircumcised one? The uncircumcised ones are a lot more sensitive (more sensitive nerve endings) and I get a lot less “chafing” from friction during PIV. My husband is circumcised, but wished he hadn’t been.

Anyone can see that either his mates or an ex has set him up.

That’s a joke surely - you can’t believe that’s serious!

A true prince among men.

Wtf about circumcision.

Outside of the religious groups that practice it doubt anyone cares!

I have literally never heard a woman say this.

The vast majority of men in the UK are not circumcised its just not a thing here.

Why do some people take their truth / their country and assume it applies to the whole rest of the world?

Surely women preferring circumcised penises (peni?) is more of an American thing? I've only ever seen one circumcised willie in real life and I was quite the trollup in my youth

Sorry, can't believe that's real.

..and if it is, he frankly lives on a different planet than anyone I have meet in real life, thank fuck.

Thinking about this a little more..unfortuntely I would be disqualified from this guys potential partners. Ignoring the fact that I weigh nearly double his ideal weight and am anything but submissive..I could have what could be described as an 'outie' vagina, due to severe prolapse after my son which doctors reckon is just something I should put up with as its apparently a normal part of childbirth and a lot of women just deal ithout moaning . It is not a total outie mind, so maybe my vagina would be acceptable to this hunk.

Also I have only seen one cut dick, and I saw many many dicks when younger

Surely women preferring circumcised penises (peni?) is more of an American thing? I've only ever seen one circumcised willie in real life and I was quite the trollup in my youth

Yes, I think it is definitely more an American thing. Though when I was growing up in Canada circumcision rates were higher - lots of things rub off on us up here, so most of my sexual partners were circumcised though I did come across some who were uncirc’d (also a trollup lol).

My brothers weren’t cut either so to me uncirc’d was totally normal to me, but my mother came here from England as a young woman so when she had my siblings I think she just thought “why in the world would I do that?” as it was not the norm for her.

Rates have decreased more and more since I grew up but there are still people I know who circumcise their sons, sometimes for “religious reasons” but still sometimes because “I want them to look like their father/like me” which is WTF to me. They don’t look like their father because they are sexually immature, not because they are uncut. Is it somehow more difficult to explain to little boys they look different because they have their own body and are still boys (and explain as age appropriate why daddy is cut and he wasn’t) then it is to explain to little girls why mum has breasts and pubic hair and she doesn’t? I think it’s a bollocks excuse honestly, and sometimes it is done just to reinforce that what was done to their father etc was “okay”.

When I have talked about it with men I know (ie those I have partnered with) most of those who are cut have always said to me now that they know what they know, they wish it had not been done, but they also kind of know there is little they can do about it so they get on with it. Those who have said “it’s fine” turn out to not know much really about it or have bought into a lot of nonsense about cut penises being “cleaner” and such.

My husband will say he feels “ripped off” anytime we are watching a clip or documentary or something where the issue of sensitivity/nerve endings/built in “gliding” assist in uncut penises comes up. He knows his own mother just did what she thought best at the time (almost 4 1/2 decades ago) but he can’t understand why anyone continues the practice today. He was quite upset his nephews who were born in last few years were both cut.

I absolutely know circumcision is not the same as FGM but I am very much anti-circ. I think it is cruel to do this to infants. They are horrible to watch and usually not done with anesthesia or waiting for any anaesthesia to set in as the anaesthesia can be a risk for such tiny babes. It’s painful and they go into shock. I think if more parents actually had to watch rates would plummet even more. If a man grows up and as an adult wants to modify his penis and remove his foreskin, so be it. But to take the choice away from them as infants is horrific.

I don't understand why the rates of non-medical circumcision are so high in the US either. It's very odd to mess with nature in this way

Every time I read "innie vagina" I want to shout "IT'S INNIE LABIA OR VULVA AT A PUSH", but that's what MN has done (made me less tolerant of inaccurate descriptions of female anatomy)

A person’s preference for partners with circumcised penii is comparitively problematic with wanting tidy labia - perhaps more so because tidy labia do occur naturally (although they are a minority and even tidy ones can become less tidy as the years go by!) but no one has a circumcised dick without surgery.

The preference for circumcised is likely socialised anyway - if you don’t come from a culture that normalises it by demonising uncircumcised as ugly or unclean, then you’ve probably never given it a single thought.

I’ve known two circumcised ones, one British and performed as a solution for painful phimosis on a consenting adult male, having previously tried non-surgical options (justified!) and one American and performed on an infant for secular, cultural reasons (not justified!)

Both had a ring of visible scar tissue, and both men described issues around sensitivity - in an ideal world both would’ve preferred not to have had it done (but the one who consented for medical reasons had no regrets, considering the alternative).

I don’t think it’s acceptable to continue to do this to infant boys without medical justification - if they want to get it done as adults, fair enough.

Why anyone would prefer a partner with genitals that had been surgically altered to be less pleasurable/less functional is beyond me, especially if that alteration was made without the penis owners express consent.
People that do have that preference should probably have a good think about why they think that way. Doesn’t seem at all healthy to me.

Anyway, attempting to justify the shitty attitudes of men by saying some women have shitty attitudes too is a bit too easy - we can’t celebrate crappy behaviour/attitude from women in the name of equality - otherwise the logical end point is two U.K. women killing their male partners every week.
And no one wants that.

I actually like my husband