The lawyer who shall not be named

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Now I'm totally GC and think the way they have behaved in the past is vile (along with the Dr who shall not be named) but the amount of abuse they are receiving is truly horrific.

Some of the responses are abhorrent 'die tr@*^y scum' - no one deserves that. I really hope they lose the case and civil action but it really upsets me that they are receiving such abuse.

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andyoldlabour I think you have misunderstood my point.
OP feels conflicted about being GC and seeing a TRA being piled on; I don't think there is a conflict.
As I said before, do you call out bullying only when the victim is a friend? Its the behaviour that is a problem, the victims identity is irrelevant.

I just had a peep. Couldn't really see much that was really awful - I think the 'lawyer' has used that hotline to twitter HQ to being some speedy deletions they provide for the litigious special customers.

Really I have zero sympathy I am afraid.

People have said all sorts of rude, disrespectful shit to women all the time - including TWAW. It doesn't get deleted. This individual has a personal mission to chill free speech in the UK and erase women as a sex class. It all looks pretty mild compared to the fear and misery they spread. I'll save my sympathy for the kids who saw their mother arrested and kept apart from them thanks.

That's what I need to do I think WeRise.

Oh dear, is that a big red bite mark I see on our lawyer friend’s arse? If they didn’t show it so often then it could’ve been avoided, but then if you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

I don’t approve of dishing out abuse, to anyone, but if you unleash the dogs yourself then there’s only one person to blame. We all know what nasty creatures lurk in the swamp, so if you decide to go and live there yourself, you can’t expect other nasties to leave you alone.

Men who get off on domination will always clash with other men who get off on domination but want to do it “their” way.

They are mirrors to each other and frankly not worth an ounce of contemplation or pity.

If you’re not doling out disgusting threats and insults on social media platforms then just ignore them and focus on the message you want to get out. So what if they say it’s GC feminist doing it? Reality says different. Reality for the win.

Leave abusive men to crack on with trying to abuse other abusive men. It gives us a break for a second or two.

Abusive tweets are far to common on Twitter, it can be an awful place and I don't condone any of it.
I do think that SH quite likes the attention that comes with it and being able to show how hard done by SH is compared with everyone else. SH gloats about being called a troll in SH's bio. I think a lot of these people on twitter enjoy attention in whatever form it takes.
SH will somehow blame feminists for this despite the fact the abuse is all coming from men. Even when talking about accounts SH has reported, SH only mentions Brighton ReSisters by name.

"Leave abusive men to crack on with trying to abuse other abusive men"

In this case you definitely have a valid point, but if you look at Harrop/Madigan/McKinnon tweets, there are any number of (young) women who will say horrible things about and to feminists or basically any person who challenges the TRA's.

My missus is working in a so called regulated and professional sector, and she regularly finds that the people less than half her age (young and woke I suppose), both male and female, have a tendency to be abusive/bullying to older females.

Being at the end of a twitter pile-on is awful but then so too is being chucked in a cell with no access to sanpro and/or facing the emotional upheaval and anxiety of legal action. So too is checking that there isn’t anyone lurking with a golf club every time you get out of your car or worrying that people are going to storm into your church.

Most of what is being said is not vile abuse, which of course is appalling, but Americans saying “you are a dude” because they can. It seems to be about them willfully exercising their free speech.

Call it socialisation but I think women tend to feel online abuse more viscerally because of the underlying threat.

I don’t think anyone has threatened to burst into the lawyer’s place of work yet have they? Or even doxed them in that way. So while I have sympathy perhaps said lawyer ought to consider the emotional distress they have inflicted on others.

"Really I have zero sympathy I am afraid."
"It all looks pretty mild compared to the fear and misery they spread. I'll save my sympathy for the kids who saw their mother arrested and kept apart from them thanks."
"but if you unleash the dogs yourself then there’s only one person to blame."

I was bullied for about five years at school, every day, where it got to the point that I started skiving off. It was obvious to teachers what was happening but they ignored it. Then when my mum found out that I had skived off, she beat me with a leather belt - so, more physical abuse.
The thing is, that I hate violence, I hate to see people being bullied and abused, but I have zero sympathy when a bully is in the firing line.

My missus is working in a so called regulated and professional sector, and she regularly finds that the people less than half her age (young and woke I suppose), both male and female, have a tendency to be abusive/bullying to older females.

I do not doubt it for a second and in those cases we need to stand up to it but that’s why it is imperative we don’t waste energy, emotional or otherwise, on men who are quite obviously enjoying trying to out dick each other.

GC women have been expected to suck up endless death threats, rape threats, really appalling stuff, and it's been called 'hyperbole' which GC women were just supposed to suck up. No police abandoning rapes and burglaries to dash to the rescue, no Twitter bans, nothing.

No I don't think it's right or good. But it's not (despite all demands to the contrary) the job of biological women to throw themselves in front of transgender people and act as human shields. And I feel no responsibility to dash to the rescue.

Before the living daylights were abused out of women by this bunch I might well have done. After several years of witnessing their behaviour, it's not my job to protect them from the consequences of their own behaviour. Having a vagina doesn't make me everybody's mummy.

Also begs the obvious, interesting question, why is this behaviour ok to handwave away when addressed to (disobedient) biological women but terrible and awful when addressed to TW?

Either the behaviour is ok or it isn't, regardless of who it is addressed to.

Otherwise you're arguing that the behaviour is irrelevant, it's about maintaining separate standards of entitlement to different groups.

See Lundy Bancroft's 'Why Does He Do That' for detailed explanations about abusers and the typical creation of different standards of entitlement used in an abusive relationship. And how abusers react with outrage and hurt when they're treated in the way they expect others to meekly accept and co operate with when they dish it out.

Ha! Don't you worry about them. This is all just grist to the validation mill for them.

I doubt they are taking it to heart.

I'm not sure what the end game plan is for the doctor and the lawyer. Are they hoping to make their fame and fortune by becoming the go-to people for private medical and legal advice amongst the trans community? Or becoming sought-after trans-pundits/advocates in the media?

Or are they simply narcissists with a social media addiction?

Knicknak yes, I had an ex boyfriend exactly like this and you're entirely right, not one TRA calls out the abuse towards GC and yet here I am calling out the abuse towards a TRA.

I don't know whether that makes me a better person or a mug?

Fly-by-night trans activists like Harrop and the Lawyer, Lily and Aimee, Jess, Bergdorf et al, get too much attention.

The people who need our undivided attention are the ones that back them - including the government, local authorities, the police, businesses, charities, the Women's March organisers, the NUS, the NHS, political parties who promote transwomen as women etc.

I strongly believe that gender critics are far more effective when they highlight the institutions that put women and children at risk, rather than these bizarre individuals.

It's very tempting to get caught up with the personalities and their outrageousness. I have to keep reminding myself to focus on the people with real power.

It's very tempting to get caught up with the personalities and their outrageousness. I have to keep reminding myself to focus on the people with real power.

YY I know what you mean.

It's very tempting to get caught up with the personalities and their outrageousness. I have to keep reminding myself to focus on the people with real power.

However the truly bizarre thing is that some of the most outrageous people are wielding power.

John Bercow hosting Stonewall dos at Speakers House and blocking questions in Parliament. Sarah Brown joining Cambridge council and scribbling out lawful policies to fulfil a personal agenda, Aimee Challenor nearly becoming deputy of the Green Party, Jess Bradley advising the government and setting student policies - even forcing Jess' own cock into a Vagina Monologue, the unnameable lawyer getting the police to arrest on their say so, Helen Belcher''s acess to senior executives of the prison service, Susie Green, qualified in IT, advising the police on the ethics of benevolently gaslighting kids in the name of gender.... In addition some very questionable characters are on Stonewall's advisory board and many politicians would rather listen to Stonewall than their own constituents.

Together they have disproportionate power because they believe they are entitled to make rules, not follow them, and are not hampered by having a human conscience.

We need to be vigilant. Just because someone seems too ridiculous to be true, it doesn't mean they don't hold real power.

Having a vagina doesn't make me everybody's mummy

Yy, love this. And further, we are talking about adults who have a choice to engage with social media or not. I don’t do Twitter because it’s a cess pool from what I can gather and I think it wouldn’t be good for my mental health. I’m not in the business of infantalising other grown ups. It’s not mine or any other women’s job to sort out “mean boys” on the Internet.

I could not give two flying fucks about any pile on the 'lawyer' who cannot be named gets, quite frankly, they deserve any shit flung at them.

Screw female socialisation, they have brought all this on themselves with their misogynistic, woman hating, vitriolic, unnecessarily litigious behaviour.

Actual transphobia is despicable.

Stating biological facts may be upsetting, but it's not transphobic

Twitter is an ugly place sometimes, but I am very much reminded of the saying about "if you can't take it, don't dish it out"

Op! What made you cry on cbeebies?

I need to know!

It wasn't when makka pakka misgendered upsy daisy and iggle piggle was forced to make a citizens arrest?

That one had me in floods

Yes, I have seen a fair bit of actual transphobia. Generally from men. Yet, 'TERFs' are still to blame, as of course MRA type dickheads do our bidding for us. The only reason these men are abusive is because TERFs told them it was ok!