FGM and breast ironing. A different perspective.

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When we have different standards for different groups. What is the word for it?
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Add me to the list of women here who have suffered significant discomfort with their bodies and gender expectations. Almost overnight, I developed large breasts at age 15. I hated the attention and the change in manner towards me. I would wear two tight sports bras to constrict my chest. Believe me, if binders and elective mastectomies were an option then, I would have sought them out.

It has taken me many, many years to come to terms with my body. Having children really allowed me to accept my body fully-- watching it grow and change during pregnancy, then feed and nourish hungry babies. Even in the face of two miscarriages, (which are frequently for fatal genetic issues), this body did what it was supposed to. I can now finally embrace it.

Depriving children of their fertility is so fundamentally wrong. If you had asked me at 16, I would have gladly "consented" to anything to find peace with my body. Yet,
being a mother is my greatest joy.

My heart breaks for these girls who have been lied to by their doctors, parents, friends, and society at large. When they realize the harm done to them...

I'd genuinely like to understand what is different about your non-binariness to ours.

I would genuinely love an answer to this, as often hen speaking with TRAs, they will tell me I am cis so don't know anything, however..if I was to chose one of the many many labels these days, I would be either a-gender or non binary. But..no, for some strange reason I cannot be either of those and keep having 'cis' pushed onto me. I would like to know why.

I think from here on in I’m non binary

Pronouns she/her

It's insanely frustrating. Can you imagine a young teen in school, asking a question about something because they didn't understand the details, and the teacher saying "I'm not telling you, educate yourself, idiot!"

Seriously. There have been visitors here, I have watched YouTube videos, read articles by people claiming these labels, tweet threads, on and on, and any time I ask for anything more specific than the bare label I am either told to educate myself or insulted.

This is why it's impossible to escape the conclusion that these words are not meant to inform you of anything, they are simply meant to denote who is in the religion, and who is an outsider.

if I was to chose one of the many many labels these days, I would be either a-gender or non binary. But..no, for some strange reason I cannot be either of those and keep having 'cis' pushed onto me. I would like to know why.

That's odd. I thought everyone had a right to define their own 'gender'. If you say you're non-binary, then you are non binary. Nobody has the right to deny you your self-defined gender identity.

Isn't that how it works?

This is why it's impossible to escape the conclusion that these words are not meant to inform you of anything, they are simply meant to denote who is in the religion, and who is an outsider.

If you're a person outside the cult who genuinely wants to understand what's going on, you're not welcome. Can anyone convince me this is not a cult?

Isn't that how it works?

No, only special people can be non-binary. Apparently I am not one of them. How upsetting

I feel like setting up a What Gender are You thread, but it would be taken down.
Personally I'm non-gravity and epoxygender.
That means I have a separate Yin and Yang, lightness and darkness, but when mixed together I can be used to form waterproof bonds on pipework.

I missed this thread earlier, I had the pleasure of the sharp edge of Jax`s non binary tounge elsewhere. I'm fascinated by the earlier comment about being happy in her beautiful enbie life as it really is not coming over like that. She sounds in an absolute rage about a lot of stuff.

I know having small school age children can have you on the edge a lot of the time, it's a bit of a thankless task quite often.

I'm sure there is parts of mumsnet for this rather than winding yourself up over a form of feminism you can't relate to.

If you're still reading Jax, perhaps try somewhere that's not going to exacerbate your anxiety.

Thread spectacularly derailed.

Children cannot consent to something that will harm them.

There is another thread where a body mod artist? Has been convicted of GBH because you cannot consent to bodily harm- I think a client wanted an ear removed, artist had consent to remove ear. Judge concluded you can't consent to that.

Therefore
How can a child of any colour, creed or cultural background consent to body modification of any kind?

Safe clinical setting

I'm sorry since when we're dr's jobs to help children 'explore their gender'?!

Iamnobird

I heard that reported on the news while I was driving home (about 17:25 BBC radio 4 if anyone is heading to iPlayer).
Quite a long and interesting discussion.
My immediate thought was in that case it should be possible to prosecute doctors doing mastectomies and other surgeries on anyone under 18. Possibly also drug regimes which have no clinical need which affect growth, development and fertility.

It would be an interesting test case.

Where is the other thread on the body modification ruling?

I like the idea of all these 'liberated white kids' too

That are commuting suicide at unprecedented levels according to recent reports

And can we stop talking about 'exploring gender' and clinical settings in the same sentence please

As if 'clinical settings' aren't going to make permanent and long term changes with side effects such as pain, infertility and god knows what

I'm sorry since when we're dr's jobs to help children 'explore their gender'?!

All children need is to be told they can 'be who they are' without extreme body modification. The ones who are suffering distress at the appearance of their bodies need sympathetic counselling to help them come to terms with the bodies they have.

And what does 'exploring their gender' mean? Nobody can change sex, and anyone's personality and interests aren't dependent on their sex or 'gender'.

There seems to be so much pressure on young people now (unnecessarily!) that you hit a certain age and suddenly have to decide your 'gender identity' and sexuality, as if they're critical labels to know

I'm exploding over this.

Safeguarding????

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