Police contact thoughtful humanist blogger about their wrongthink

[Iggypoppie]

Shocking - free speech is a joke in this country

deadinteresting.blogspot.com/2018/01/death-doesnt-misgender-you-die-as-you.html

twitter.com/Flashmaggie/status/1092346957635428352

Very disturbing

Hold on

Where's that thread about things that are transphobic. Did we include:
Skeletons
And death?

Oh I see. So you read something online you don’t know like or don’t agree with - so you don’t engage with the person, you call 999 hurty feelings hotline?

God I hope these whingey babies get a bill for wasting police time.

Is wpc used anymore?

Could it he a police imposter?

Surely impersonating a police officer is a crime!

At what point will anyone in authority acknowledge that the police are being used as agents of coercive control?

This ^^

Its all very well promoting the fact that coercive control is a prosecutable offence and its extent, but unless the actual dynamics of how it operates are understood, many people and organisations with authority will continue to be used to control and abuse women.

Mumsnet, Surrey Police with Women's Aid recently launched a video. (its often promoted on the side bar )

'Walking on eggshells'
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC1pCi-GwGU

"A new Mumsnet survey to mark the 16 Days of Activism Against Gender-Based Violence, run in partnership with Women’s Aid and Surrey Police, reveals that 38% of the survey respondents say they have been in a controlling or abusive relationship* with a partner – but almost a quarter (24%) of users who said they had been in a controlling or abusive relationship told no-one about any incidents of controlling or abusive behaviour"

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

It is disingenuous of the police to claim that they were 'raising awareness' - ie informing Margaret that her blog was being interpreted as 'hate'.

In reality, there will be an Incident Report and the officer will write something along the lines of: "Contacted the writer and warned her about her future conduct". Margaret's details will be recorded. In the event of a second complaint, the police will cross-reference with the Incident Report and ESCALATE police action.

I would advise anyone who receives a phone-call from the police about a non-crime hate incident to END THE CALL as soon as the officer explains that they are following up a complaint about a hate crime.

You may be tempted to hear the officer out. You may be tempted to get into a conversation. You may be tempted to justify what you've written/said. The more you talk and listen and engage, the more easily that the police can 'write off' the incident by saying that you have accepted a warning. If you put down the phone as soon as they've outlined the complaint, the police officer is stumped.

They had hoped to finalise the incident with a quick phonecall and a short write-up on the incident report. If you end the call, the police will have to try something else - like a letter or a request for an interview - which is all very time-consuming and a waste of police time in comparison with a quick phonecall.

Your only words should be to ask for the officers name, number and station - for the purposes of making a complaint.

In reality, there will be an Incident Report and the officer will write something along the lines of: "Contacted the writer and warned her about her future conduct". Margaret's details will be recorded. In the event of a second complaint, the police will cross-reference with the Incident Report and ESCALATE police action.

Additionally these reports will be used as data 'evidence' by TRAs who wish to 'prove' that transphobic abuse is escalating as a direct consequence of women questioning trans-ideology, standing up for safeguarding and women's rights.

Don't talk to the police. Don't get into conversation. Some will work and work at you until they find something that they can get you for.

I have just sent those links to my MPs office, the office staff are very supportive of the concerns expressed to them and the MP about the self-ID proposals. It is International Women's Day on Friday the 8th.Let's hope we can continue to say International Women's Day without hurting some tender trans activists feelings. (I always exclude genuine sensible trans women when making these comments.)

James Kirkup again - I don't have a subscription so can't read it. Going to get that sorted today;
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/why-are-the-police-stopping-a-74-year-old-tweeting-about-transgenderism/

Yet Caroline can’t even get police to help her deal with doxxing and stalking and the harrop tweeting that he’s going to visit her husbands church

Yet here we are. Skeletons now such hatey hurty crime 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

"The officer said she wanted to talk to me about some of the things I’d written on Twitter and my blog. She said that some of the things that I’d written could have upset or offended transgender people. So could I please stop writing things like that and perhaps I could remove those posts and tweets?".

I didn't realise that the officer had requested that Margaret stop writing things like that. And asked her to remove those posts and tweets.

Suffolk Police made no mention of their request to Margaret to cease, delete and desist when they gave the following statement on Twitter: "A follow-up call was made for no other reason than to raise awareness of the complaints".

This is even more sinister than I first thought. Firstly that Suffolk Police asked Margaret to delete her writing, and then subsequently lie about that in their statement on Twitter.

Dark times.

Suffolk Police have apologised.

From Maggie:

twitter.com/Flashmaggie/status/1092740430343651328

"Had a very friendly chat with a @SuffolkPolice DCS this morning who phoned to apologise and admitted they'd "got it wrong". Told him about the online stalkers hiding behind the Challenors' list. I've no ill-feeling towards the county's cops but think their training needs review".

Kirkup ends with a quote from Maggie:

I’m not going to keep quiet just because some people might get a bit upset. I’m 74. I don’t give a fuck any more.

I LOVE HER!

So where does this leave humberside if Suffolk have apologised?

After the Harry thing, I contacted my local police (again) about threats I have received on twitter from TRAs. I figured if liking a limerick earns you a police visit, then surely actually directly threatening someone should too? Nope. 'Block them and ignore'. Apparently police don't have the time to do anything about abusive tweets, and its easy to block the person and move on. Fucking ridiculous double standards, but not surprising.

I figure is women start reporting threats/misogyny en masse, the police will have to stop ringing people to check their thinking. I know the reports will be binned, but it might wake them up a bit.

Hurrah for Maggie! Love that quote.

Thing is surely if they go this route then they have to follow ot through to its logical conclusion.

Mass burning of books
Arresting every dr and nurse and teacher
Suing eveey charity that campaigned for single sex toilets In other countries

Ban the internet frankly

Or get the women off internet so they can’t write hurty hatey stuff

Suffolk Police have also tweeted

twitter.com/SuffolkPolice/status/1092746098295345153?s=19

And betting their backsides handed back to them...

What training have officers received in relation to transgender issues, and from whom? Are some people or organisations deliberately and vexatiously exploiting some police forces’ stance on this issue to instigate police action against people who say things they do not like?

Go James go!

I bet Kirkup knows the answers to those questions. Thing is, will anyone admit it?

Listen, fair play to Suffolk Police for making a public apology.

And stating that they will review their procedures.

A few police forces could do with following their example.

Well done, Maggie. You handled it all with great grace and Suffolk Police (finally) responded in a decent manner.