Message from Lynne Featherstone Lib Dems

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“I also have a message to those people who believe they can restrict trans women’s rights, deny their human rights, or exclude them from women-only spaces in the name of feminism: You are not feminists. Your views are not welcome in the Liberal Democrats.”

Just in case anyone is interested in what the Lib Dems are saying.

I must admit, I agree with you Juells. It’s too much like that odious term ‘kiddy fiddler’. It denigrates very serious abuse to very tongue in cheek term, appearing to minimise the seriousness of the abuse, even if unintentionally.

Use adult language when talking about the very serious abuse of little girls.

Fannies. Ffs
They cut off your clitoris

I'm an ex lib voter .... I'd already turned from them and never again after this bullshit.

Really angers me when people frame this as feminists wanting to remove rights from transwomen. Rather than, you know, wishing t retain sex based rights. Its made out as if we want a rollback in some human rights or something, when actually, whats wanted is for women to retain womens rights, for women..as otherwise they don't exist at all (womens rights, not trans people obviously. As thats another thats annoying 'removing transwomens right to exist!)

Transsexuals have rights. Males who throw on a skirt and calll themselves Doris have their male rights.

The word woman is not up for debate. It isn’t what a minority of suspicious-intent males say it is.

It's fair to say Lynn's views aren't universal among party supporters.

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You'll like it even more with errant apostrophe removed.

Reading through this thread it occurs to me quite how much Featherstone has done to wreck her own party.

If same-sex marriage was not in the coalition agreement, pushing this issue with the Tories (when it really wasn't something your traditional Tory voter endorsed) meant Lib Dems had to compromise on other issues, such as the very unpopular raising of student fees from 3K to 9K which made and still makes the Lib Dems look like a party for the rich.

Doesn't strike me as politically very savvy.

Especially when, see angry's letter, not all lesbian and gay people see same-sex marriage as be all and end all. (Personally, this does not affect me, so I don't have a strong opinion.)

I think same sex marriage was a good thing and cannot object to Featherstone's position that - it's been a positive thing for many people close to me.

But she's behaving like an utter bellend with this incl all the "so-called feminist." bullshit. She's an idiot. She used to be my MP too - as many others have said, I am now politically homeless as can't in good conscience vote Labour or Lib Dem, and would never vote Tory.Sadly a lot of London artsy liberal women of my acquaintance (anyone say 'middle class bubble'?) seem to take the same view she does. All happy to dismiss the views of and demonise increasing numbers of women who are standing up for the rights they hold in law. Blind wokeness.. Glad the Communists and Morning Star are holding firm, but really? Is that the only option we're left with here on the left?

Apparently some in the labour party are planning a breakaway 'centre' party

That'll be interesting though i doubt very much that they will deviate from the script with resoect to self id

What about trans men Lynne, or don’t they matter? Very strange for someone commenting about feminism to forget about this group of biological females.

Lynne thinks that people can actually change sex, Orion. Transmen are men in her world, so she's not concerned about them.

Just to clarify, hellandhairnets, I do not oppose same-sex marriage and I know that it is important to many same-sex couples..

But coalition politics is about compromise, you will not be able to fulfil every policy promise. And if someone had said to me "you can have either same-sex marriage or tuition fees not being increased" I would have prioritised the latter because

a) no increase of tuition fees was promised to voters
b) gay and lesbian relationships were already given protection through civil partnerships (i.e. no material disadvantage)
c) we now have a generation of students who are lumbered with crippling debt, and this affects especially students from poor families

The other thing: money. Same-sex marriage costs the state almost nothing. Funding higher education does. This is also about the Lib Dems agreeing to austerity.

Conatus News has covered this:

conatusnews.com/liberal-democrats-views-not-welcome/

Oh, do Fuck Off, Lynne.

When people trot out the "transwomen are actual women" line I want to bellow "you're so stupid that you don't even know that you're demonstrating just how stupid you are every time you lecture everyone else with your fucking nonsense". I always assumed I was a bit dim and that people in positions of authority must be a lot smarter than I am, but the scales have fallen from my eyes with this load of mysogynistic shit.

I think we should stop arguing with the prats that trot out the TWAW mantra and just ask them “how?” Not in a nasty way, but just as a question. Rather than arguing with them, just keep asking them to explain what they mean, by each statement they make. They’ll soon start to confuse themselves as their fallacy falls apart.

Ambroise
Conatus News has covered this:

Good article. That site seems to be very pro-woman.

Businesses with more than 250+ employees to monitor and publish data on BAME and LGBT employees, not just gender.

This is quite bizzare. I don't want my race and sexuality "monitored" at work. What are they trying to do with this? We are already being contsantly being harrased over female representation in workplaces whith threats of fines if we dont meet targets. The unions are demanding we get 50/50 representation of women when the only way to do this is to cut women's admin jobs and move into the plumbing and carpentry business.

Good article. That site seems to be very pro-woman.

It is. It got suspended by Twitter for a while last year because an article it published went against the new hate speech guidelines.

This was their response to the Twitter suspension

conatusnews.com/apology-conatus-news-editorial-team-twitter-moderation-staff/

This was their response to the Twitter suspension

😂

Brilliant apology (even better than Father Jack's!)

Thanks for reminding me about that, Ambroise.

*Apparently some in the labour party are planning a breakaway 'centre' party

That'll be interesting though i doubt very much that they will deviate from the script with resoect to self id*

Yeah, I think it's doubtful.

I think our whole political system is breaking apart (probably because we are using old political identities and labels but without any substance or meaning behind them) Frankly, I can't see myself aligning with any party that wilfully avoids issues of class and the resultant power dynamics in its political analysis.