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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Obscenity laws have been changed to allow distribution of BDSM and fetish porn

126 replies

userschmoozer · 31/01/2019 18:13

''Pornography depicting a number of previously banned sex acts has been made legal in the UK after a review of obscenity laws.

Essentially, sex acts that are not illegal in another context can now be shown in pornography.''

''Certain types of violent porn are now permitted so long as the sex acts are consensual (focusing on ‘full and freely exercised consent’,) do not cause serious harm to participants, are not ‘inextricably linked with other criminality’ and are not likely to be viewed by anyone under the age of 18.''

uk.news.yahoo.com/violent-porn-including-bdsm-no-longer-illegal-uk-long-performers-consenting-155930303.html?_guc_consent_skip=1548958244

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GrinitchSpinach · 31/01/2019 18:15

now permitted so long as the sex acts are consensual (focusing on ‘full and freely exercised consent’
How do they know?

userschmoozer · 31/01/2019 18:17

Exactly. If there's a demand for it the sex trade will find a way to meet that demand.

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Horsewithnoman · 31/01/2019 18:21

Payment does not equal consent.

Mumfun · 31/01/2019 18:23

Wrong that strangling is allowed to be shown, just plain wrong. Humilation probably unhealthy too

WokerThanWoke · 31/01/2019 18:32

are not likely to be viewed by anyone under the age of 18

In this day and age how can they guarantee this?

Anlaf · 31/01/2019 19:06

I don't know what the guidance said before, but on under the Obscene Publications Act guidelines, on strangling:

Where a person consents to an activity, as a matter of law such consent will not amount to a defence to assault occasioning actual bodily harm or worse: R v Brown and others [1994] 1 AC 212. Accordingly, publications which show or depict the infliction of serious harm may be considered to be obscene publications because they show criminal assault notwithstanding the consent of the victim. This includes dismemberment and graphic mutilation. It includes asphyxiation causing unconsciousness, which is more than transient and trifling, and given its danger is serious.

I believe in E+W people can still be prosecuted under Criminal Justice + immigation section 63 - this is the law that covers "extreme porn" and was campaigned for by the family of Jane Longhurst. This covers:

(a)an act which threatens a person's life,
(b)an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals,
(c)an act which involves sexual interference with a human corpse, or
(d)a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive),and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real.
[F4(7A)An image falls within this subsection if it portrays, in an explicit and realistic way, either of the following—
(a)an act which involves the non-consensual penetration of a person's vagina, anus or mouth by another with the other person's penis, or
(b)an act which involves the non-consensual sexual penetration of a person's vagina or anus by another with a part of the other person's body or anything else,

Similar provisions in Scottish law. This would, I'd argue, still cover strangling. (IANAL)

mixedabilitygroup · 31/01/2019 20:31

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2019/jan/31/whistleblower-christopher-wylie-joins-fashion-retailer-h-m

Without financial equity, no woman 'consents' to being pimped to pornographers.

Wanky men appear to think they are running this country.

Djnoun · 31/01/2019 20:33

Great news!

Juells · 31/01/2019 20:39

mixedabilitygroup - what am I missing, about your link? What's his connection to the subject of the thread? Genuine question.

QuietContraryMary · 31/01/2019 20:45

"Great news!"

for wankers

Djnoun · 31/01/2019 20:46

Exactly! Grin

QuietContraryMary · 31/01/2019 20:55

These lying journalists really fuck me off.

How fucking dare they lie like this, the dishonest porn-sick, lazy slapdash wankers.

"In 2014 laws were altered to ban pornography created in the UK from showing certain sex acts, sparking accusations of censorship particularly targeting female pleasure."

That's an barefaced lie.

Firstly pornography is not about female pleasure, it's (95%) for men to wank to. Secondly, NO LAWS WERE CHANGED IN 2014 TO BAN ANY SEX ACTS, that's just a LIE. The Independent printed some clickbait lies

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

and because journalists are lazy, don't understand the law, malicious, paid for by the porn industry (some or all of the above are applicable), nobody bothered to say it was a lie, because they preferred to dress up a purely technical change to legislation to extend existing rules to also cover 'on demand' porn (so not actually covering the vast majority of porn consumed), as some sort of ban on female pleasure.

This was completely fabricated out of nothing, because it suits men to cover up their masturbatory activities (note the original lies were by a 'Christopher Hooton') and abuse of women in porn with some sort of faux feminist bollocks about 'female pleasure'. It's happening more & more that when men want something they pretend it's about 'female pleasure'. Yeah because being choked to literal death is so fucking pleasurable. Arseholes

Fucking useless excuse for journalists. Propagandists for the porn industry. Useless, lazy, lying wankers.

Chalk one up to lolita porn wanker Jane Fae.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/01/2019 21:18

The first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title was Jane Fae - they've been lobbying for this for a while I think?

mixedabilitygroup · 31/01/2019 21:20

mixedabilitygroup - what am I missing, about your link? What's his connection to the subject of the thread? Genuine question

You're quite right! Juells Link fail, this article seems to have suddenly disappeared from main page of guardian website.

www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/jan/31/pornography-of-adult-consensual-sex-no-longer-taboo-says-cps

FixedIdeal · 31/01/2019 21:26

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ReanimatedSGB · 31/01/2019 21:29

This is fabulous news. A lot of brave, clever, determined people have been working very hard to make this happen. Now we have a better chance of changing the porn industry for the better.

mixedabilitygroup · 31/01/2019 21:29

I hated the idea that pics myself and DH had taken for our own purposes relating to consenting acts were considered illegal if we had wanted to show them to others
Yuk

mixedabilitygroup · 31/01/2019 21:31

This is fabulous news. A lot of brave, clever, determined people have been working very hard to make this happen. Now we have a better chance of changing the porn industry for the better

Men Wankers Charter. You must be proud.

FixedIdeal · 31/01/2019 21:32

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Calvinsmam · 31/01/2019 21:33

How exactly are you a minority group fixed ?

Is that the minority group of taking photos of yourself being strangled/strangling your partner and showing them to people group?

There’s a reason why that’s a minority.

And being a minority doesn’t mean you’re oppressed in any way. Millionaires are a minority.

mixedabilitygroup · 31/01/2019 21:35

mixedabilitygroup - that wasn’t an offer, no need to be rude
If you can't get it up without pornography, how about getting a new hobby?
Reading, for example?

Djnoun · 31/01/2019 21:36

You can enjoy literature and pornography quite easily actually.

Anlaf · 31/01/2019 21:39

reanimated can you say more on why the CPS guidelines were the stumbling block to changing the porn industry for the better?

QuietContraryMary · 31/01/2019 21:42

Because the article in the OP is written by a piss-poor, lazy excuse for a journalist, it doesn't explain what has happened.

The Obscene Publications Act was passed in 1959, and does not directly define what is obscene, but creates a test:

"For the purposes of this Act an article shall be deemed to be obscene if its effect or (where the article comprises two or more distinct items) the effect of any one of its items is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it."

And this would be determined by a jury.

What has happened, basically, is that there is such a massive exponential increase in the volume of porn in society thanks to wankers like Jane Fae, Christopher Hooton, et al, that a lot of stuff which would have once been deemed obscene is now completely run of the mill.

And so today the CPS have updated their prosecution guidelines (not law per se in that a Mary Whitehouse type could bring a private prosection) to be far more liberal.

New guidance:

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/obscene-publications

It says:

"conduct will not likely fall to be prosecuted under the Act provided that:

It is consensual (focusing on full and freely exercised consent, and also where the provision of consent is made clear where such consent may not be easily determined from the material itself); and

No serious harm is caused (whether physical or other, and applying the guidance above at paragraph 17); and

It is not otherwise inextricably linked with other criminality (so as to encourage emulation or fuelling interest or normalisation of criminality);"

The old guidance said:

"It is impossible to define all types of activity which may be suitable for prosecution. The following is not an exhaustive list but indicates the categories of material most commonly prosecuted:

sexual act with an animal
realistic portrayals of rape
sadomasochistic material which goes beyond trifling and transient infliction of injury
torture with instruments
bondage (especially where gags are used with no apparent means of withdrawing consent)
dismemberment or graphic mutilation
activities involving perversion or degradation (such as drinking urine, urination or vomiting on to the body, or excretion or use of excreta)
fisting"

In terms of lack of consent, they expand

"Non-consent for adults must be distinguished from consent to relinquish control. The presence of a “gag” or other forms of bondage does not, without more, suffice to confirm that sexual activity was non-consensual.

Where a person consents to an activity, as a matter of law such consent will not amount to a defence to assault occasioning actual bodily harm or worse: R v Brown and others [1994] 1 AC 212. Accordingly, publications which show or depict the infliction of serious harm may be considered to be obscene publications because they show criminal assault notwithstanding the consent of the victim. This includes dismemberment and graphic mutilation. It includes asphyxiation causing unconsciousness, which is more than transient and trifling, and given its danger is serious."

Note that despite the lies from the lying wankers there was no specific 'ban' on urination (or as this was dressed up by porn wankers 'female ejaculation;), rather they were talking about urination specifically onto the body.

So basically the main change appears to be more bondage porn and more degradation porn.

FixedIdeal · 31/01/2019 21:43

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