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Guilty of sexual assault of a 6 year old girl - but no consequences

270 replies

feministfairy · 29/01/2019 07:57

Do the rights and safety of little girls in Scotland matter so little to the judiciary? This defies belief:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/student-guilty-of-sex-assault-on-girl-6-will-not-be-punished-rpzdx6bmv?shareToken=a5f3f8d4d214df63fa3b4d0f4323ea4c

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VickyEadie · 31/01/2019 14:44

He was doing it for TWO FUCKING YEARS. I'd say there was a fair bit of "gratification" involved. I wouldn't scratch my arse more than once if it wasn't "gratifying".

justasking111 · 31/01/2019 15:02

He was capable of getting the grades to go to uni. so no excuse can be used as to his mental capacity. I suspect from the fact that the child sat on his knee she had to be a relative or a v. close friend of the families.

BollocksToBrexit · 31/01/2019 15:24

Gosh, so the poor fella has had to endure harsh criticism when it became known that he'd sexually assaulted a little girl for 2 years. Thank heavens he's got a supportive family behind him.

Remind me again, who's the victim? Angry

pomobrokemypogo · 31/01/2019 15:42

Emotionally naive and inappropriate curiosity? At age 15-17? FFS. Did he not go to school? Where he could not fail to receive lessons and messages about appropriate and inappropriate behaviour.

And even if there is something wrong with the mental development of the guilty party (which dentistry grades and Uni would suggest there is not), this is no better for the victim than if the abuse was made 'for gratification'.

And I would argue that it is in fact it is possibly worse in terms of risk if he or any abuser has trouble understanding boundaries and behaviour (not just accepting rules/boundaries but understanding them), and makes it even more necessary for him to be on the sex offenders register so that other people can be the ones to enforce that he is unfit to work with children and vulnerable people. How the hell are the parents going to police the behaviour of a dentistry student when he is away from home, and then working and living away from home?

Genuine mitigation (where any even rarely exists) should not mean automatically light sentences or no punishment. Such people need supervision, therapy, serious input.

And not to mention that I am sure that many paedophiles start out with episodes of 'inappropriate curiosity' (awful minimising phrase) before the paedophillic mindset and abusive, transgressive behaviour is fully formed. They don't just suddenly wake up as adult men having magically and terrifyingly become severely sexually deviant overnight, having been entirely normal in every way the day before, 0-100 in an instant. The sheriff is the one being criminally naive here. The very least that is needed here is being placed on the sexual offenders register for some years until he is assessed as not needing to be (if that day should ever come)

Is the sheriff going to be taking his young female relatives to Christopher Daniel for dentistry work, or have him babysit them? Not in a million years he would not.

Angry Angry Angry

pomobrokemypogo · 31/01/2019 15:51

And thank you to *MargeritaPink for the info re Scottish law and the possibility of there being no jury.

I was reading earlier that if the decision was made by summary proceedings, with no jury and one sheriff/ JP, then it is because the crime was deemed to be a "less serious crime" www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/29/0/Glossary/a#S; serious crimes need a jury.

The sexual assault of a 6 year old deemed to be not a serious crime. FFS. There is something very wrong from the beginning if this is what happened.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 31/01/2019 16:08

An eight year old child suffered two years of sexual abuse and no lasting damage has been done - wtaf?

Even if the man was severely developmentally disabled and likely to live in supervised care all his life a flat out dismissal without any kind of offenders programme or adding to the sex offenders register would have been inappropriate. Wtf is the situation of this man that the judge is prepared to go to these lengths and risk this amount of public scandal?

justasking111 · 31/01/2019 16:44

Nicola Sturgeon has backed the judiciary and states politicians should not interfere.

www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/scotland/first-minister-acknowledges-concerns-after-youth-discharged-over-sex-assault/

Bejazzled · 31/01/2019 16:49

Nicola Sturgeon has backed the judiciary and states politicians should not interfere

Oh the irony, brass neck of her

RepealTheGRA · 31/01/2019 16:57

Nicola Sturgeon has backed the judiciary and states politicians should not interfere.

Well there’s yet another reason to think this whole thing reeks of ‘cover up’.

Bowlofbabelfish · 31/01/2019 17:37

Emotionally naive?

Then he shouldn’t be allowed to practise dentistry.

StealthPolarBear · 31/01/2019 17:44

I'm sure that's all a great comfort to the six year old.
What happened to her isn't the issue, it's all about his intentions.

StealthPolarBear · 31/01/2019 17:45

Which for the record I think is a giant pile if crap anyway. But even if it were true, she has still been sexually assaulted.

HamiltonCork · 31/01/2019 17:49

Nicola sturgeons got a cheek.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 31/01/2019 17:55

I'm sure that's all a great comfort to the six year old.

Who, despite having spent two years of her early childhood being sexually assaulted, has no long lasting ill effects. Or something that utterly stupid. What arrogance, what denial, what utter erasure of that child's experience, the inevitable future effects on her and her right to justice.

Sarahjconnor · 31/01/2019 17:56

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C8H10N4O2 · 31/01/2019 18:01

noticeably immature and socially awkward

And yet mature and communicative to get a place to enter a profession requiring trustworthiness, communication skills and reliability dealing with vulnerable women and children.

Blistory · 31/01/2019 18:07

From Judicairy of Scotland website

PF v Christopher Daniel

At Dumbarton Sheriff Court, Sheriff Gerard Sinclair discharged absolutely Christopher Daniel after he was found guilty of sexual assault.

Circumstances of the offence

The circumstances of the offence were that the family of the complainer was friendly with that of the accused, and would visit each other from time to time. During visits the complainer liked playing with the accused, who had a computer in his room. When they played on the computer she would often sit on the accused’s knee. Several times during visits he touched her on her vagina, placing his hand over her vaginal area. His hand was cupped and he would press it against that area. Whenever he did this she had clothes on, either leggings or tights or pants.

The complainer’s father described the accused as an intelligent, but quiet boy who seemed very young and immature. In the course of a meeting between the complainer’s mother, the accused’s parents and the accused, he initially denied, but later admitted, his actions. The complainer’s parents agreed not to contact the police at that time understanding that the accused was to obtain professional help, to which he was agreeable. However, subsequently believing that he was backtracking on, and changing the nature of, his admissions they decided to contact the police.

Sheriff’s disposal
The Sheriff considered all the relevant factors, including the nature of the offence, the impact on the victim and others affected by the case and the particular circumstances of the accused.

As to the circumstances of the offence, the Sheriff considered that the actions, occurring on more than one occasion could not be classed as spontaneous. However, there had been no attempt to escalate the nature of the offending. In light of the evidence as to the immaturity of the accused, and the nature of the discussion during which he admitted his actions, the Sheriff considered the offence to be the result of an entirely inappropriate curiosity of an emotionally naive teenager rather than for the purpose of sexual gratification. The accused had appeared both noticeably immature and socially awkward, features confirmed by other evidence in the case. It was fortunate that the complainer appeared to have suffered no injury or long lasting effects.

It was clear that the complainer’s family held no ill will against the accused’s family. They indicated in their evidence that they were not seeking any form of retribution. Their main focus appeared to be a wish to have the accused admit his culpability and address his behaviour. The accused’s family were clearly a caring and supportive one who the sheriff considered would, in light of his verdict, wish to provide whatever support was necessary for their son.

The accused was a 17 year old, first offender. He had suffered considerable opprobrium, having been temporarily suspended from his university course. Since the matter had come to light, the accused had suffered seizures and had been diagnosed with epilepsy. During the trial he presented as someone who, with appropriate support and guidance, could become a valuable contributor to society. The Sheriff considered it unlikely that he would ever appear in court as an accused again. Any recorded conviction for this offence would have serious consequences in terms of the accused`s future career. On the authorities, this was also a relevant factor in deciding how to deal with the case. Any sentence would mean that he would probably be unable to continue his university course. The notification requirements of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 would automatically apply to a conviction for this offence unless an absolute discharge was granted.

Considering all of these factors, the Sheriff reached the conclusion that justice could be served in this case by taking the wholly exceptional decision not to pass sentence and to grant an absolute discharge.

boatyardblues · 31/01/2019 18:41

Isn’t it a bit early to be saying there’s been no impact on the girl?

Mner2019 · 31/01/2019 18:50

Signed

Schmoobarb · 31/01/2019 18:50

And yet mature and communicative to get a place to enter a profession requiring trustworthiness, communication skills and reliability dealing with vulnerable women and children.

Exactly. And highly competitive as well.

howonearthdoyoucopewith3 · 31/01/2019 19:00

Hmm, they are making him out to have special needs, as though at 17 he is unable to know right from wrong and has the mind of a small child. So how is he then up to studying dentistry? I would be wondering who his mum and dad are. Friends in high places?

Schmoobarb · 31/01/2019 19:04

Just saw a comment on a news page that apparently his mother had been a head teacher in one of the highest performing state secondary schools, don’t know whether that’s true though. However where the trial was would certainly fit in with him residing in that area.

Blistory · 31/01/2019 19:06

My reading of it is that the Sheriff did take it seriously enough to find him guilty but had no middle ground in terms of sentencing. It was either punishment severe enough that would impact the boy's life disproportionately or an absolute discharge.

I don't think either option was right in the particular circumstances of this case but that requires changes in the sentencing guidelines.

NineInchSnail · 31/01/2019 19:07

boat yes, it's much too early to say that. I know a young woman who was sexually abused at age 5, and the lasting effects were not obvious prior to adolescence.

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