Women Stand Up in Washington, D.C.

[GrinitchSpinach]

The board is, ahem, moving fast today, and some marvelous stuff is getting buried in the monster threads. I thought this might be a good place to collect reports from on the ground in D.C.

Thanks to SpartacusAutisticus for posting Natasha Chart's wonderful, raw speech outside Human Rights Campaign:
www.facebook.com/100003299679086/posts/2366913433428623/

Here is the protest outside Twitter:
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2366769483443018&id=100003299679086&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FD8guU5XQ0R&_rdr

More coverage from the Christian Post:

www.christianpost.com/news/feminist-activists-expose-abuse-horrors-of-girls-harmed-by-transgender-medicalization.html

Huge shame that planned Parenthood are doing this. They are the only provider of contraception etc in many areas. If they’re defunded then women will suffer. Yet they’re pushing hormones on minors.

The world has gone mad.

Agreed. PP's role in this is a stunning betrayal of the women and girls they are supposed to serve.

Have to be careful with the PP because there are two names that are PP!

Personally, I find Posy hugely courageous. She really is stunning and Brave. She says what loads of us think!

Yes to be clear I was referring to Planned Parenthood in reply to Bowl!

It's probably not a coincidence that Jennifer Pritzker is now one of the top 10 donors to Planned Parenthood.

Yes we need not to initial one of them !

Oho! Andrew Sullivan, the prominent gay political commentator, took notice of the Heritage panel:

It might be a sign of the end-times, or simply a function of our currently scrambled politics, but earlier this week, four feminist activists — three from a self-described radical feminist organization Women’s Liberation Front — appeared on a panel at the Heritage Foundation. Together they argued that sex was fundamentally biological, and not socially constructed, and that there is a difference between women and trans women that needs to be respected.

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And it’s true that trans-exclusionary radical feminists or TERFs, as they are known, are one minority that is actively not tolerated by the LGBTQ establishment, and often demonized by the gay community. It’s also true that they can be inflammatory, offensive, and obsessive. But what interests me is their underlying argument, which deserves to be thought through, regardless of our political allegiances, sexual identities, or tribal attachments. Because it’s an argument that seems to me to contain a seed of truth. Hence, I suspect, the intensity of the urge to suppress it.

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Transgender people pose no threat to us, and the vast majority of gay men and lesbians wholeheartedly support protections for transgender people. But transgenderist ideology — including postmodern conceptions of sex and gender — is indeed a threat to homosexuality, because it is a threat to biological sex as a concept.
nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/andrew-sullivan-the-nature-of-sex.html

Argh I meant to include this from Sullivan, too:

We just have to abandon the faddish notion that sex is socially constructed or entirely in the brain, that sex and gender are unconnected, that biology is irrelevant, and that there is something called an LGBTQ identity, when, in fact, the acronym contains extreme internal tensions and even outright contradictions. And we can allow this conversation to unfold civilly, with nuance and care, in order to maximize human dignity without erasing human difference. That requires a certain amount of courage, and one thing I can safely say about that Heritage panel is that the women who spoke had plenty of it.

Nice quotes there from Sullivan, Grinitch.

The leftie American people who I've spoken to on Facebook about this just can't see past "Republicans think X, so I should be anti-X", or see that there is a contradiction between their saying women need not be afraid of predatory men (who may try to take advantage of self-id), but the poor defenceless transwomen are of course justified in feeling too afraid of potential male violence to go into the men's toilets because other men might be there?! These are otherwise smart people who for some reason have decided e.g. intersex = an extreme form of trans and other ridiculous ideas.

There is SO much tribalism in American politics right now, moimichme. It is really discouraging. I don't know what will break through the dominant narrative and get people to question the contradictions in gender ideology. It certainly doesn't help that the NYT, Washington Post, all the TV networks have been pushing an unrelentingly positive view of this ideology for at least a decade.

It's good to see some gay men start to question things. I don't think Sullivan is much of a friend to women, but if he and others can see their lives being affected, that's a good start.

Radio Interview with Posie Parker about the reasons for her & Julia Long's confrontation of Sarah MacBride:

wxde.streamon.fm/listen-pl-3651

What a good interview, R0. Posie is so very clear and direct. To any UK listeners, the incredulity in the interviewer's voice and the way he repeats certain parts of what she says for clarity demonstrates how utterly unbelievable this all seems to a mainstream American audience.

Kara Dansky said this week that her Republican friends think the Equality Act will never pass because it's just too ridiculous; they don't understand (and most in the middle and left don't either) how close this is to being enacted.

To any UK listeners, the incredulity in the interviewer's voice and the way he repeats certain parts of what she says for clarity demonstrates how utterly unbelievable this all seems to a mainstream American audience.

This is the 'free speech' focus.
I was surprised the interviewer wasn't as incredulous about the numbers of young girls having double mastectomies.

PencilsInSpace's transcript of the young woman's speech who spoke incredibly movingly and powerfully at the end of the 'We Need To Talk' event in Washington.

It was clear how profound the effects she had on the women on the panel and I'm sure all who heard her.

[1:30:40]

"My name is [Cas?], I'm 19 and I just wanted to - so I just wanted to talk, it's not really a question. Ever since I came out, in eighth grade I've been completely involved in radical queer and trans circles and I just wanted to talk about my experience.

So when you first come out nowadays in - every LGBT group is very ... inclusive, let's just say. It's just - you must respect everyone. When you're young, you're like, OK, I mean I want to be accepted by people, it feels bad when people are mean to me, of course I don't want to be mean to someone, right? And so if you don't really - and everything is accepted uncritically.

I know this transman, a trans identified female, and they got a double mastectomy at 15 and had been on testosterone since they were 13 or 14, and you're not allowed to raise questions about that because then you're evil and sort of being in this circle where any woman who's gender non-conforming is obviously not a woman. It's very easy to gain that idea. I think that even older people theorising about it can understand conceptually, but being in that space it's a very difficult mindset to get out of. And I've been really lucky, I have some radical feminist friends who've been really nice but since I discovered and understood radical feminism - I'm skipping around this story but it's fine.

I recently lost my entire friend group. So I go to college but I lost all of my friends because they were like, actually, you having three separate opinions from me means that you're unsafe and are equivalent to a nazi. Because obviously, saying that lesbians can have sexual boundaries is the same thing as kill all Jewish people. You know, it's obviously the same statement. I don't know how anyone can see it differently.

But - OK, going front to back - being part of that environment and being a lesbian and having it be not a socially acceptable thing in these spaces that are intended for same sex attracted people - it's just extremely damaging and you start to think, well, maybe I'm not a woman. I don't feel like a woman, I don't look like the women around me, you know. And being a woman is deeply traumatising.

I think almost every trans female that I know, especially detransitioned women like myself - I got a double mastectomy - we are all - a lot of us are autistic and don't fit into gender roles and don't really understand it and we're absolutely preyed upon in that sort of way. And almost all of us have experienced sexual trauma and just being a woman and experiencing things like that makes you disgusted with your body and not want men to think about you, not want to be - it's just so profoundly traumatising.

And when you're given this option of, you can escape misogyny, you can escape experiencing things like this again, even though that's not true - women who pass as men, as soon as men find out - I mean I'm friends with a lot of other detransitioned women and a reasonable number of them pass as men in their daily lives - and as soon as someone finds out they're going to be treated with violent misogyny, right? And so it's a complete lie, but it's a very enticing lie.

And even speaking about the potential side effects, even if you're like, I support the decision that you're making but I want you to take into account the ways that this will cause damage in a genuinely informed consent way. I mean I'm against - you know what I mean. That's just not something that happens.

Additionally - so when I was going to get my double mastectomy after identifying as trans for four years, I just had to go to a doctor, say 'I'm trans and I want top surgery' and then they're like, OK, you know, then they'll ask me some questions about my life, but there's no like, maybe you're a lesbian who doesn't want to be seen as a lesbian because you live in a homophobic area, maybe you're dealing with - you need to deal with some sexual trauma. Maybe there's other things, other than this sort of idea. There's none of that, it's just like, OK! And so then the next time they were just like, OK I'll write a letter to your insurance saying they should pay for it.

You know, it's just - women are really being let down, especially lesbians.

And I don't know, it's just very - going on what you were saying? I just feel so bad about my peers because it's very hard to get out of. It's such a cult-like mindset because if you talk to anyone different you are going to be excommunicated, right? You're just not going to be allowed to interact with people. I mean it's like my friends who just dropped me, you know, it's really difficult - I don't know if I'm over my time limit - I just, I don't know, when people were saying about how it's really hard as a young person to not be accepted by your peers - it is terrifying, it is so ... scary, but it's really an important thing because so many women I know, every lesbian I know in my day to day life who's not a complete normie who's never been online, has identified as trans, even if they haven't transitioned, has previously identified as trans.

Because it's just - being a lesbian sucks, guys.

I mean it's wonderful once you're able to accept it and interact with other women, but this is a terrifying societal position to occupy and I'm completely proud and out now but it's just a really scary thing because these people who are supposed to be supporting you would rather you be anything but a lesbian."

Thanks for posting this. Fucking hell. Just fucking hell . What are we doing to young women.

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3507109-Pique-Resilience-Project-young-detransitioned-women-sharing-their-personal-stories