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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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SugarPlumFairy99 · 25/01/2019 14:38

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 27/01/2019 17:27

Bewilder was told she wasn’t welcome here anymore so that’s not her leaving of her own choice but being forcibly ejected

keeponspinning · 27/01/2019 18:20

Don't have anything useful to add but just wanted to say I've been grappling a lot with this and have found a lot of your responses very reassuring. Yes, we can disagree and that's OK. We are not a cult. Thank you everyone.

DubBeGoodTome · 27/01/2019 18:37

Catching up with the thread.

I'm the poster who (I think) first used the term 'welcomed' about this board. It was in the context of me saying that imo, one or two posters can be put others down and imply they're not in the know, which can, again ime, make it hard for others who aren't regulars on this FWR board. 'Welcoming' was the wrong term - obvs I don't think people should be given an official welcome. I meant inclusive, friendly, open to hearing other people's points of views.

I was specifically complaining about R0wantrees 's tone in this response by her to another poster when asked if she'd asked Jean Hatchet if she could post a screenshot of a tweet from Jean's protected twitter account:

*JessicaJonesJacket She did, yes and as I said she has to do this periodically and has discussed the reasons for this on her blog. You clearly aren't aware of them or of Jean Hatchet.

Your faux concern is either naive or a backhanded way of attempting to silence Jean and implying that I am not posting in good faith.*

That's a pretty highhanded and shitty way of responding to someone who had asked politely. And it's deflecting from the question asked, which even though I then asked R0wantrees whether she had obtained Jean's position, she didn't answer. I know for a fact she hadn't asked Jean, which is presumably why she evaded the question.

This is the type of attitude I meant that isn't, by its nature, welcoming or inclusive of others joining in discussion. Absolutely women shouldn't be obliged to be nice or polite if the situation doesn't call for it, but equally is there any fucking need to be so condescending to a fellow feminist. Personally I am fed up of the stereotypical male way of aggressively putting people down when asked 'difficult' questions then evading to answer. JessicaJonesJacket then replied saying Rowantrees was wrong that she didn't know of Jean, but Rowantrees ignored that and didn't have the grace to apologise.

I love this board and have learnt so much. I was around when it was first opened as I've been a Mumsnetter for a long time, with some large breaks in between. I've been on it in many different names. I won't be leaving. But I don't like seeing other women being put down for asking a goddamn question.

The point has been made in this thread that it's about spreading the word however which way and people doing things in their own way. Refraining from being sneery towards another feminist sister and suggesting they don't know what they're talking about, when they politely ask you a question you don't want to answer, or being open to being vulnerable by showing you assumed something incorrectly, is one implicit way of including other women in the discussion. It's not the first time I've seen Rowantrees do that (and to be clear, she's never done it to me) but as she is such a prolific poster it does leave an impression.

Oxytocindeficient · 27/01/2019 18:59

That's a pretty highhanded and shitty way of responding to someone who had asked politely. I don’t think it was asked nicely, it was accusatory and implied Rowan hadn’t posted in good faith. Jean protected her tweets from others, not to stop MN from seeing updates. I also find the way you’ve made more than one post about Rowan and I’m finding your own tone to be unpleasant. You’ve repeatedly complained about Rowan, all over one post, not directed at you. Can we just stick to the topic rather than telling everyone here how to behave. Rowan is invaluable here, archiving and linking relevant and important info. I don’t get the personal repetitive attacks.

Bluestitch · 27/01/2019 19:04

I guess if MN really was a tiny little bubble that nobody took notice of the TRAs wouldn't be monitoring it so closely and it wouldn't bother them so much.

LangCleg · 27/01/2019 19:08

Strange: lovely R0 seems to be inciting a great deal of opprobrium lately.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 27/01/2019 19:08

feminist sister

Ugh. Like the term 'ally'. Why does everyone have to be stuffed in boxes?

Regulars are aware that people not in good faith very frequently post here, with varying intent. It's not easy to tell who is genuinely new/innocent and who is looking to stir, poke and screenshot something for Twatter. Many of the women who work hardest on defending women's rights and sharing and organising information for women (and R0 is one) have been dealing with hostile posters for a long time. No one has infinite patience and goodness knows we all know the issues about women having to be 'nice'.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/01/2019 19:22

I agree

I thought the business with R0wan had been sorted earlier

I don't understand why its being brought up again

R0wan is a powerhouse of information...you dont HAVE to like her

You dont HAVE to like anyone...just ignore

IAMcorbyndallas · 27/01/2019 19:23

Rowan is invaluable here, archiving and linking relevant and important info. I don’t get the personal repetitive attacks

This in spades. Going after the key contributors to FWR is nothing new. That's my opinion anyway.

FlyingOink · 27/01/2019 19:24

Isn't this back to arguing about a leader? Rowantrees isn't my leader, if she's rude to me that's her problem. If I've misread her it's my problem. If she was consistently bullying me I'd report her.
I don't hold her to different standards to any other poster just because she's a prolific and resourceful contributor. I'm grateful for her posts but I don't expect to be her best mate.
Honestly this board is a walk in the park compared to most of the rest of the big wide internet. If someone can't hack it here, they need to hang up their router and go for a walk.

Vixxxy · 27/01/2019 19:53

Strange: lovely R0 seems to be inciting a great deal of opprobrium lately.

I have noticed this the past couple of days. Had a few weeks 'off' before this so might have been going on for longer, but have seen a few users taking issue with her or her posts, which does seem odd.

Vixxxy · 27/01/2019 19:54

Might be a backstory though, or genuinely might be coincidence that a few have took issue at the same time. Just really stands out.

Ihuntmonsters · 27/01/2019 19:55

Totally agree with the most recent posts, yet another example of attempts to discredit a FWR poster who is obviously perceived to be important and thus must be smeared. It's a bit bloody stupid to accuse someone of evading a question that they answered in the very post you are quoting. I live in a different time zone so most often read threads as a whole not post by post and these efforts to goad and discredit are frequent, boring and transparent. Unfortunately over time they are also often quite successful as posters get fed up and move on to other venues which are less visible to opposing parties, whether that's the previous MRA led groups or the current trans campaigners.

If your arguments were better you might not feel this need to attack posters on the perceived petty infringements that you find to denigrate them.

ChattyLion · 27/01/2019 19:55

R0wantrees and her links Star

Oxytocindeficient · 27/01/2019 19:56

Remember her user name was on a list of bad people tweeted to Mumsnet. So probs has something to do with it. Bullying is often used to silence women

FloralBunting · 27/01/2019 20:13

Dear Lord some people are more invested than me in hagiography.

R0wan is a valued member of this strange corner of the internet because she is extremely focused on linking threads together for the ease of those who wish to navigate the labyrinthine issues with some semblance of clarity.

She is respected, yes, but why do some people want to hold her to a mega high standard because she is one of the few of us who does not name change and is therefore recognisable?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/01/2019 20:16

I think i agree with you floral

I might not depending on what hagiography means

RepealTheGRA · 27/01/2019 20:22

Remember her user name was on a list of bad people tweeted to Mumsnet. So probs has something to do with it. Bullying is often used to silence women

What is this list? I feel I’ve missed something major?

Datun · 27/01/2019 20:26

Me, Lang, ro and a couple of others ( I don't think you were on it, repeal). Singled out for linking to kiwi farms.

Because I don't name change, I've been singled out before. One chap told his mum about me. Bless.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/01/2019 20:26

Christ dont say bless!!!

GrinitchSpinach · 27/01/2019 20:27

Remember her user name was on a list of bad people tweeted to Mumsnet. So probs has something to do with it. Bullying is often used to silence women

Oh yeah. One of the Monitors posted a list on Twitter, encouraging TAs to target and dox a handful of prolific posters here. R0 was definitely on the list; Datun too I think. I forget who else and cba to check. Doesn't really matter, because these women have been in the trenches for so long they have found their own ways of carrying on the fight and are extremely respectful of Mumsnet terms and conditions.

RepealTheGRA · 27/01/2019 20:28

I didn’t for one minute think I’d be on it! Just wondered who was being specifically targeted now?

Told his Mum? Ffs! Is he 12? In which case he shouldn’t be allowed on fucking twitter!!

FloralBunting · 27/01/2019 20:28

hagiography
/ˌhaɡɪˈɒɡrəfi/
noun
the writing of the lives of saints.
a biography that treats its subject with undue reverence.

Datun · 27/01/2019 20:29

Haha. Yawn?

Tbh, i was rather moved. Far more effective than telling me to fuck off and DIAF.

I wanted to say, aww don't be silly, it's not personal.

RepealTheGRA · 27/01/2019 20:30

One of the Monitors posted a list on Twitter, encouraging TAs to target and dox a handful of prolific posters here

Sounds like a hate incident to me, think we should contact Humberside.