Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

I'm still mystified as to why a male NHS doctor is so preoccupied with monitoring women chatting on Mumsnet. It's so random.

I'm not mystified. Disgusted, maybe, but the motivations are clear enough. Not a fan of actual women of the vagina having kind, Mr Harrop.

Is Adrian Harrop banned from Mumsnet? Or has he never posted here?

If you’d like to donate to Jeans Go Fund Me, donations go to Wearside Women In Need:

www.gofundme.com/ride-for-murdered-women

It's not Posie I was saying I was frustrated with, Dana, it's the assumption that she should know what the Heritage Foundation is and what it signifies to Americans, and that being assumed to know that (insert further assumptions based on that here).

It's all a bit "our friends from Hezbollah".

Very good point birds; people are very keen to shout "but they oppose abortion and think LGB people shouldn't exist" about the right, while ignoring the pro prostitution/pro porn of the left, which is equally woman-hating.

I doubt Fanny would dare post on Mumsnet Woke. On Twitter he mutes or blocks anyone who disagrees with him. He's hardly hang around for a Mumsnet pile on!

Of all the MRA’s/TRA’s/AWA’s I’ve seen plopping and sealioning on this board over the years, I’ve NEVER encountered one so demented I suspected it might be the Haddock.

His ego's too big for a pseudonym, he'd announce himself. What's the point of lecturing the silly little women if they don't know it's you doing it?

Off to donate to Jean.

Differences of opinion shouldn't be treated like a tragedy. Of course the TRAs are going to try to create panic around it but feminism has always been bigger than one person.

It has just occurred to me that any political movement or organisation should periodically debate the ins and outs of its own followers/ employees beliefs and actions. Being self critical and self reflective is extremely important to remain ultimately cohesive, united and strong. People do fuck up, intentionally or with hindsight. Ultimately though, rigourous and open debate is important. I agree that actually Saskia's comments were very worthwhile in this debate.

I'm still mystified as to why a male NHS doctor is so preoccupied with monitoring women chatting on Mumsnet. It's so random.

There's a 'network' that monitors FWR chat. Some of these are friends of his.

(extract)
Since 2016, Mumsnet—specifically its Feminism board—has increasingly found itself on the receiving end of criticism from trans people and their allies. “When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.”

Prior points to the now partially-deleted but notorious 2016 “I Am Spartacus” thread in which a user asserted that “men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever” and went on to misgender a number of trans men and women, including high-profile campaigners Paris Lees and Danielle Muscato. The post sparked thousands of supportive comments and is consistently referenced in up-to-date threads, with “I am Spartacus” acting as a shorthand rallying call for anti-trans feminists. Attempts have even been made to organize campaigning activity around the phrase. (continues)

“It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.” (continues)
broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3444548-Vice-how-an-online-forum-for-moms-became-a-toxic-hotbed-of-transphobia

see also:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3412316-Dr-Adrian-Harrop-thread-the-fourth-GMC-do-care-have-taken-it-to-the-next-level

Sorry AAK I did get that I was poorly worded support on my behalf

Just done a bit of internet peeking and AH is retweeting really old Casey posts. Desperate much?

He is an odd duck, isn't he? It's almost as if harassing women on the internet is a hobby that he's hoping will pan out into a full time job.

Their voices go unsought, unheard and unheeded - even in the rush to live by one’s principles.

This is true.
But something not really spoken about is the crab mentality in some organisations created to help 'marginalised' people - it can spill right over into misogyny/reverse racism/reverse-snobbery/anti-'breeders'/etc - the jealous urge to paralyse inventive people who are a bit higher up the privilege gradient and therefore able to get success and attention for their cause (partly and unfairly because it connects with a greater number of other likewise privileged and connected people).

I often see crab mentality piously masquerading as 'trying to give marginalised people a ' when it is really 'if I can't have it, neither will you'.

So I think Posie is right to live by instinct and wit, speaking with her own voice and with her own perspective, even if it seemed rushed or she accidentally treads on toes.

Not everyone is a natural collaborator and it is paralysing to expect such people to religiously consult with others - they will lose their mojo. I want her to keep on making waves in her own style.

One of the really interesting - and depressing - aspects of the transgender debate, for me, has been the realisation that this has bugger all to do with party politics as defined here, in the US, in Canada, in Australia, in NZ....

Basically, being anti-women isn't confined to one part of the political spectrum

From Kaeley Triller Haver, a conservative woman who co-founded Hands Across the Aisle:

But when a blog I wrote on this issue went viral, I began to hear almost daily from women across the country with similar experiences, concerns, and frustrations. It was then that I really realized that this was not a partisan issue; it was a women’s issue, and we women needed to stand together to defend each others’ dignity. Some of the most compelling voices I discovered in this journey belonged to women on the other side of the aisle, who had seen this day coming down the pike for years and years. Miriam Ben Shalom was one of these women, and I can honestly say that working alongside the women in this coalition has been one of the most humbling, enriching, and rewarding experiences of my adult life. It’s amazing what can happen when we put down our weapons and approach each other not as foreigners but as sisters.

THIS is why the AWAs are screaming so loudly about how women are destroying feminism, acknowledging biology is literal murder, everyone who questions trans ideology or the global sex industry is a Nazi who must be silenced, shunned and punched.

The prospect of women focusing on our common ground and fighting for our rights as a political class is fucking terrifying to misogynists on both left and right. Because they know we have the numbers to beat them, if only they don't succeed in dividing us.

Of course the TRAs are going to try to create panic around it but feminism has always been bigger than one person

Of course.

I have no idea why the TRAs think that this disagreement is going to destroy feminism?!

Mind, they are from the same school of thought as the 'I was a feminist all my life until I once saw one feminist say something I didn't like. Haha feminists, you only have yourself to blame as you won't stfu, listen to your masters and return to the kitchen' etc.

Methinks someone is trying too hard to listen to Emily’s tactics of divide and conquer.

The hatred for Posie is palpable. I still occasionally watch the video of their tv debate. Always good to lift my mood.

To paraphrase my DS “you got pwned so hard brah”.

And of course, the absolutely ridiculous 'straight white males are the most discriminated against of any group ever and if you disagree you are a bigot' nonsense.

Thinking more on the "friends from Hezbollah" similarity - isn't Harrop the one who spoke about the importance of Corbyn getting elected? Obviously, if consorting with the right wing makes you a fascist, consorting with terrorists makes you a terrorist sympathiser at the very least. I'll just hold my breath until Harrop and all the beardy lefties declare their disgust at Corbyn, then, shall I?
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Left wing men's enthusiasm for the idea that women should empower ourselves via the sex industry came as more of a surprise than it should have to me - not so much the fact that they like the idea of us being in that position as the fact that they have the brass neck to try to pretend that it's for our benefit. Which is part of why the tribalism irks me - whichever point on the political spectrum you look at most men don't seem to really think women are people, though they disagree on the specific ways in which we're designed by nature to be of service to them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_Ben-Shalom

A bit more about Miriam. She's a really interesting woman

Yeah they are always gonna defend that shit. Just look at some of the media reports about the Bryan Singer allegations. Frankly I’m using “allegations” lightly - because there’s been rumours about him circulating forever. Example “Bryan Singer accused of sex with underage boys “. Excuse fucking me? The fact they are underage means no consent = rape. The attempts at normalisation continues. 🤬

Sorry didn’t mean to derail. Just went off on a tangent.

Yes this is true
But

A yes/ but is a no by any other name.

Where is it suggested that Posie take on a consultative role? And what is “anti-breeders”? All I can say is “what!”

It takes all kinds of competencies to make up a successful team - I actually would say Posie’s skills aren’t best aligned with sensitive consultation. And if people can’t self reflect on abuse of power maybe they aren’t best suited for leadership roles. After all we mostly have a dearth of that at present in leadership roles and it shows.

Putting down what I wrote to a “crab mentality” rather neatly illustrates the point I was making about blind spots - thx

I can honestly say that working alongside the women in this coalition has been one of the most humbling, enriching, and rewarding experiences of my adult life. It’s amazing what can happen when we put down our weapons and approach each other not as foreigners but as sisters.

This.

We have to stand together to stop men from appropriating our identity in order to use it as a weapon to oppress and exploit us.