Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

The problem is there IS no feminism at all if it includes men. The definition of woman is, thanks to gender ideology and men, up for debate.

At the same time the points you and Jean raise are also understandable, I do personally think I would have felt as Jean did. I respect that she drew her boundaries and I hope it's not been taken down.

The over arching issue that transcends all of it is that men are now telling us that they're women too. This impacts all other feminist concerns, like dominoes.

Replying to Saskia.

PP is loud, but doesn't strike me as overly bright. She's just loud. And many women happen to agree with her that TWANW.

I think her little mating dance with far-right US groups is not only disgusting and unpalatable, but also potentially very damaging to the GC movement. I am thoroughly disappointed. PP has done some impressive work, but unfortunately, I cannot support her any longer. As a previous poster said, it is a slap to the face for marginalised women.

1)Posie talks about TR in the Feminist Current podcast and how he was able to exploit the gap left by Labour councils and the media, for racist ends. She has not expressed support for TR.

2) Posie, Venice and Julia Long are collaborating with the Women's Liberation Front in the US on an event. Speakers from Wolf have also been involved with events at the Heritage Foundation. PP, VA, & JL have apparently met/talked with people at the Heritage Foundation as part of their US trip. This is not endorsement or alignment.

This was posted a few pages ago (sorry I've already forgotten the poster's name). Is it a correct summary?
Does anyone have any evidence that Posie has done anything further and if they do, could they please post it?

So a socialist Lexiter is now exactly the same as an ultra Randian member of the ERG? The difference between them is angels dancing on a pinhead? Because one point of agreement? Theresa May, Remainer, is the same as Lisa Nandy, Remainer? No difference at all?

FFS. The shallowness of that analysis is embarrassing.

it is a good idea not to align yourself with bigots.

So by agreeing on just ONE THING with Tommy R I am now "aligned" with him?

Whatever happened to nuance?

I thin iits serious as fuck that a lobby group with that aim has been using this, I think Jean was right to write that post. I think airing tension is GOOD I have also on occasion stood absolutely firm on the things that dont budge but PP cant possibly undermine the GC movement. Cos she is one person and her participation wasnt dependent on us all becoming a hivemind.

While I would love the political spectrum to revolve around me and I do believe the world would be a better place if it did, I have gotten to adulthood and realised this is not likely to be achieved.

Brilliant

I hid this thread early yesterday evening as it was giving me the radge, but unblocked it this morning and am so glad I did.

I agree with pps who've said it's one of the most important threads there's been on FWR.

I'm so pleased to see Lisa M contributing, her input is invaluable.

None of us should give a flying fuck through a rolling donut what people on Twitter think. Women are (still) allowed to speak and say what we want without having to be mindfull of it possibly being used against us. Everything we say gets used against us anyway no matter how inoccuous so fuck that.

Thank to the pp/pps posting all the Dworkin - I really needed to see that!

I think airing tension is GOOD

Exactly! #nodebate is cultish. Here, on this thread, is a discussion that the thousands of lurkers can read and - shock, horror - make up their own minds about. And 99% of the women airing it will reconvene about something different tomorrow and do the same thing all over again.

but doesn't strike me as overly bright

Oh then you haven’t been paying attention.

I don’t think it’s smart or bright to think working with right wing people on this issue is ‘aligning with bigots’.

Bigotry is the intolerance of other opinions. Not holding a different opinion.

I dont suppose it would make ANY difference at all to poin out that I have not suggested doing this, or done this, or that I would be unlikely to do this? While I would love the political spectrum to revolve around me and I do believe the world would be a better place if it did, I have gotten to adulthood and realised this is not likely to be achieved.

But you have posted in support of a position which advocates for that very thing. read back over this thread. A lesbian has been hounded off for suggesting that alliances with groups that deny her right to exist might be a bit problematic.

Oh, and I've also got to adulthood - quite a few years before you did - and I'm still sticking to my principles. It's not about thinking anything revolves around me, it's about having a basic concept of the humanity of women who don't tick all the same boxes as me. I'm not prepared to overlook those women, because any victory gained at their expense will be hollow and meaningless.

it is a good idea not to align yourself with bigots.

I watched in awe Julie Bindel sitting next to Milo Y on a panel debate and agreeing on a number of things. Have they each aligned them selves with a bigot?

(They were also sitting along side the knitting TRA which may have been the key factor)

None of us should give a flying fuck through a rolling donut what people on Twitter think I have never heard this phrase. I love it!

Tackytriceratops I haven't said feminism should include men.

imagines it looks a bit like a quidditch ball

Guess who thinks feminism should include, indeed centre, men? Most on the left.

No I haven't said you have.

The issue is that men say feminism includes men.

(They were also sitting along side the knitting TRA which may have been the key factor)

I'd be tempted to jump right into Milo's lap if the choice was between him and the knitting needle enabled extreme porn enthusiast.

So by agreeing on just ONE THING with Tommy R I am now "aligned" with him?Whatever happened to nuance?

Suggesting that Tommy Robinson was a lone voice speaking up against grooming gangs is not agreeing with him on one thing. There is no nuance in that position, it's just a falsification of reality that lends him validation he does not and should not have.

The issue is that men say feminism includes men

Well, take that up with the men who say it, I can't speak for them.

I'd be tempted to jump right into Milo's lap if the choice was between him and the knitting needle enabled extreme porn enthusiast.

I saw him in a totally different light. Still don't agree with many things he says. But I finally understood why no platforming is so dangerous.

A lesbian has been hounded off for suggesting that alliances with groups that deny her right to exist might be a bit problematic.
Are you talking about the poster who said Posie was racist and then had to admit they didn't have any evidence?

There are a number of people who have attempted to appropriate Jean Hatchet's statement and position for their own ends.

That's foolish.
It underestimates a very strong, honest and principled woman.

Are you talking about the poster who said Posie was racist and then had to admit they didn't have any evidence?

She said she couldn't produce evidence because the posts covered a number of years and a number of user names.