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Harry the owl visited by police

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Imnobody4 · 23/01/2019 20:28

This whole hate speech/incident law is completely out of control. This is sinister.
Check out @HarryTheOwl’s Tweet: twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1088144870991114241?s=09

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Ereshkigal · 24/01/2019 14:04

And the fact no one cares who's hurt damaged or jailed in the bid to play some top trumps is the most disturbing thing of all.

It is.

Ereshkigal · 24/01/2019 14:06

Great song, Dana ThanksWine

Danaquestionseverything · 24/01/2019 14:07

Huh interesting. Honestly that probably is not the sort of attention this needs. Yes it will reach a fair size audience. But and I say this as someone that loves to read about conspiracy theories, infowars have a lot of followers that are gun nuts and anti Semitic. At least that was my observation from years ago. I'm sure there may be other people like myself that are just curious about things but go to the website click on an article, then scroll through the comments below - repugnant.

Disclaimer my observations were during part of Obama's Presidency, things may have changed but I wouldn't hold my breath. Have not been back in years.

Danaquestionseverything · 24/01/2019 14:08

Awww thanks lovely Ereshkigal😘

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/01/2019 14:17

It's in the Spectator now - James Kirkup has written an article

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/is-it-now-a-crime-to-like-a-poem-about-transgenderism/

Popchyk · 24/01/2019 14:18

James Kirkup has written an article about it.

Is it now a crime to like a poem about transgenderism?

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/is-it-now-a-crime-to-like-a-poem-about-transgenderism/

Popchyk · 24/01/2019 14:18

Sorry, cross-posted with Pain.

PopUpAd · 24/01/2019 14:19

Just saw this from Humberside Police on Facebook.

Isn't it massively hypocritical of Humberside Police to look at the CCTV images of these people and assume their sex/gender?

After all ....... Finally, he lectured me. Said, ‘Sometimes, a woman’s brain grows a man’s body in the womb

These suspected criminals may have a woman brain in their male shaped bodies, how on earth can the police tell?

I had a quick Google for recent reports of unidentified bodies found, plenty of police forces issue a description including an assumption about the deceaced persons sex/gender, are the police looking at genitals and making these decisions? Isn't that hypocritical, especially as I couldn't make the same assumptions in the gym changing rooms?

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R0wantrees · 24/01/2019 14:23

James Kirkup's article concludes:

"What to make of this? I’ve written a lot about this subject, because I think it raises many disturbing questions about the way we conduct ourselves as a society and a democracy, about the way the political process registers and responds to different groups’ valid concerns and questions. I keep writing about it because I think that more people in positions of authority should take a closer (and more public) interest in numerous failures of policy and politics.

And when I write about it, I take pains to do so in a calm, measured and careful way, because this debate desperately needs deliberation and calm reflection, instead of anger and outrage.

But it is very, very hard indeed to remain calm about the story of Harry Miller. In Britain today, a police force may have sought out a man who has broken no law and spent more than half an hour warning him about his ‘thinking’ and his expression of his opinions – for no other reason than someone said they believed that man’s lawful actions were motivated by ‘hatred’.

PS. You might be wondering about that limerick, the one that appears to have concerned the police officer and saw a law-abiding businessman interviewed and warned about his behaviour and his ‘thinking’. Here it is:

You’re a man.

Your breasts are made of silicone

Your vagina goes nowhere

And we can tell the difference

Even when you are not there

Your hormones are synthetic

And lets just cross this bridge

What you have you stupid man

Is male privilege."

Danaquestionseverything · 24/01/2019 14:26

Actually a Journalist down here has made a tweet about the situation and sent a limerick to Harry. Rita Panahi writes a blog for the Herald and has a gig on Sky News Aus. She is a conservative and some of her subject matter seems to be designed to appeal to certain elements. As someone with Iranian heritage she is very passionate about supporting the struggle that women there are going through. Also an atheist so not one of those preachy conservatives.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/01/2019 14:37

Is it bad that it's irking me that the poem is described as a limerick when it isn't one?

Barracker · 24/01/2019 15:06

No, it is quite alright PainInTheEar.
I absolve you of your poetry pedantry.
Poedantry?
Podantry?

Danaquestionseverything · 24/01/2019 15:09

No it's not Pain. There are rules to limericks 5 lines. Line 1,2 & 5 rhyme with each other. Line 3 & 4 rhyme with each other. There's probably other rules but it's 2am and I really need to get to sleep.
Catch up soon peeps.

bluescreen · 24/01/2019 15:14

If that's a limerick, I'm a Dutchman.

Er, these days...

CowJumping · 24/01/2019 15:38

It identifies as a limerick.

This whole thing is so scary. Someone doxxed and interviewed by police for liking/retweeting something on Twitter. Hmmm - I was doxxed & interviewed several times by my HR director, which was bloody awful, but at least it wasn't treated as a noncrime. But I feared for my job.

I am in despair about the situation - women are having their fundamental rights to define their existence erased.

R0wantrees · 24/01/2019 15:45

Stonewall 2018 LGBT in Britain Trans report

"This report exposes the profound impact that discrimination, violence and exclusion is having on trans people’s quality of life in Britain today. The second in Stonewall and YouGov’s state of the nation LGBT in Britain series, this report focuses on the experiences of more than 800 trans and non-binary people who took part in our research. It contains powerful testimonies that demonstrate why
progress on equality for trans people should be a priority for all of us.
What we have found is deeply worrying. Hate crime and discrimination against trans people, on our streets, in our hospitals, in workplaces and at universities, is widespread.
Two in five trans people had to deal with a hate crime or incident in the past 12 months. Many trans people are forced to hide who
they are, change how they dress or drop out of university because of fear of discrimination. In our workplaces, half of trans and
non-binary people have hidden or disguised that they are LGBT for this reason, and one in eight have been physically attacked by a
colleague or customer. "

"Two in five trans people (41 per cent) and three in ten non-binary people (31 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their gender identity in the last 12 months. "

www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/lgbt-in-britain-trans.pdf

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GrinitchSpinach · 24/01/2019 16:09

My nominations for best response limericks:

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Datun · 24/01/2019 16:16

Who was that 'limerick' directed to?

If it was a transwoman, every word of it could easily be true. And verifiable. I could say every sentence about any number of transactivists, and back up every word.

And so could their surgeon.

Why is it hate? If they can say something that is untrue, in that they are actually women, and that's not hateful, why is a mere refutation deemed a hate incident?

It's utterly pathetic.

Honestly, I've said it before, gender critical people need to do absolutely nothing.

iklboo · 24/01/2019 16:33

I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as long as that truth has been fully approved in writing beforehand as being an acceptable version of somebody else's truth.

GerryblewuptheER · 24/01/2019 16:37

You raise a good point ikl
I mean a statement made under coercion is worthless isn't it?

So even if you go along with it, given they know from the "evidence" what you believe can you be prosecuted for purgery?

How do you get out of this? Lie under oath that you believe something you don't. Or tell the truth and take the consequences.

And the police can't believe it either surely? How do you enforce something that you don't believe in yourself?

GerryblewuptheER · 24/01/2019 16:41

The police will end up attesting eachother won't they?

How do they put the word out about a dead body or missing person ? Do the family report them as a missing male/female and have the country looking for the wrong person ?

Datun · 24/01/2019 17:06

GerryblewuptheER

Last year a transwoman was on the run. The police asked people to look out for a woman who might be dressed as a man. Because they believed the individual would revert back to being a man, in order to escape capture.

So the general public were looking for a woman dressed as a man. Absolute nonsense.

TransposersArePosers · 24/01/2019 17:07

I've read James Kirkup's article and in echoes of WYP hounding Posie, it is Humberside Police going after Harry The Owl, when according to the article the complainant was from 'down south'

It states in the article that Harry doesn't live in Humberside, nor is his business based there, so why was it that force contacting him, rather than a force from the part of 'down south' that the complainant is from? Or are they specialists in this area of policing?

TransposersArePosers · 24/01/2019 17:13

It was that story that first alerted me to this madness Datun, when Crimewatch said that 'She may be living as a man'

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/08/sex-offender-has-living-man-woman-arrested-crimewatch-appeal/

GerryblewuptheER · 24/01/2019 17:15

You could not make that shit up.

And when they tell "sir hands above your head. Now" after finding suspect matching the description do they then write themselves up?
How how long do these cases take when they have to arrest the witness for mis gendering, turn themselves in for the same crime then deal with the perp...

And how long does this go on for befire we stop trying to convince people they don't see what they actually see

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