Harry the owl visited by police

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This whole hate speech/incident law is completely out of control. This is sinister.
Check out @HarryTheOwl’s Tweet: twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1088144870991114241?s=09

what do you mean sharkbastard?

if a crime is reported i can guarantee someone gets in touch unless the crime is filed at source.

if someone rings up saying my car got broken into last night, then two things might happen.

the call handler will ask questions to determine whether there is any line of enquiry for an officer to follow up.

if there is no evidence, no cctv, no witness, its rained all night so no forensics - then its likely the crime will be filed at that stage because there is no realistic chance of solving it.

if there is cctv clearly showing an offenders face, or there is a witness, or forensic opportunity then the crime would be allocated to an officer for a call.

thats how it works. in my force - people are told on the phone whether its getting filed or allocated.

if people ring 999 an assessment is made as to whether it warrants an immediate response or not.

people ring 999 inappropriately at times. if there is no immediate threat risk or harm then it may get downgraded to a priority grade or an appointment at a later date.

the grading is immediate (imminent threat of harm ongoing live incident)
priority ( burglary or car crime where no suspect is present)
appointment ( reports of ex partner being abusive over text or phone, that kind of thing )

everything else is crimed at source (by call handler) and then either filed or allocated to an officer for investigation.

ryton my issue with that is that investigating a crime is the police's job, not mine. When my car got broken into outside a school the police asked me if the school had CCTV. Imo the police should be the party establishing that. When I told the police that my phone tracker was on and I could tell them exactly which house my phone was tracked to....still no investigation took place.

If I phone up to report a hate crime against an anonymous Twitter account, is that less likely to be investigated than if I previously dox the party? That has to be sinister in itself, almost an encouragement of vigilantism?

eh?

hate crime is a hot potato. every force has to act within guidelines with respect to it. reporting the nasty words upset you will just be recorded usually as a "hate incident" and no officer would usually investigate it - just say the right things to the complainant (there there poor ickle bunny we will tell the bad man/woman/other off dont worry) then record it as a hate incident and forget about it. because thats what this bollocks is worth in reality - id rather be out at 3am catching burglars except the likely hood is in reality there will be 4 out of 10 of us working and 2 will be sitting with a mental health patient in the hosptial while the other two are tear arsing from job to job to job

the call handler simply asking if you know if a school has cctv is fine imo - its a yes, no or dont know question. it helps the call handler establish if there is any line of enquiry

in my force we lost over 1/4 of our front line staff since 2010. thats 2000 officers off the front line - gone.
the precious few left are spread very very thinly. ive done front line 9 years and its made me so ill. ive just had 3 weeks off and im going back to a different job. cant hack it anymore. you dont eat properly as your never know when you can - an entire shift can be gone while your sitting a hospital patient or if you arrest you against the clock to get done before your shift finishes - your sleep patterns are fucked from shifts. and i just do not have the patience anymore. and funnily enough patience is what i was known for. that and victim care. as it happens ive just found out i won something for that and am expected to go pick up my award - i have mixed feelings on it. we are just fighting fires all the time now. i do care very much about my victims and i have given up days off to pick them up for court when they had no transport - hell ive even given one young lass who was struggling my own bloody fridge - but we are all shit and everyone hates us so i should really say no more.

rytonsister
For what it's worth, many (most?) of us understand that this isn't the responsibility of individual officers and that you are just in the front line, passing on whatever comes from above. Just the same for social workers, teachers etc.
It is hugely frustrating as this stuff is so dangerous and as can be seen from the twitter thread, the general public don't go along with policing of thoughts and then that undermines the authority of those trying to do it and makes them look foolish - as PC Gul and his superiors have discovered.

im wonder how old pc gul is and how much service he has in and if he had any support in knowing how to handle this one.

poor sod.

ryton

Thanks for telling your story on here. It's important to hear from those who are on the front line; I'm not in the least surprised that it has made you ill. I really hope your new job is much better for your health.

I hope you know that most people don't blame ordinary officers who are doing the best they can.

See, my sympathies generally lie with the police, and I know how hard they're worked. However, when I see officers spending 30 minutes on the phone to someone who retweeted a tweet, or arresting a mother in front of her kids, it makes me nervous.

I know women who have been raped/robbed/attacked and haven't even had a follow up call.

My query lies with the process of the police

its one of those jobs where you are always damned if you do and damned if you dont.
there is always a woulda coulda shoulda squad waiting to tell you how you should have done it
and shit rolls down hill.

and no matter what your intentions are - youre usually wrong in someones eyes.

that and shifts ranging from 7am starts to nights with very little turn around, lack of food, lack of support, lack of numbers - hell i couldnt even get back up at one job until i got shot at - funnily enough then the world turned up.
all all for the princely starting salary now of £19k

if i were going to join now id have a word with myself. i told my DD over my dead body.

ryton
I didn't mean the police were choosing what they investigate. I meant that they should be properly staffed so that they can investigate crimes, even the fairly routine burglary / mugging types. I"m sure most police officers would be all for that.

The second part of my question was a query to you saying that investigation proceeds more where there is a line of enquiry. Eg if I was mugged outside Tesco and knew they had CCTV, that's more likely to be investigated than if an identical mugging happened on a dark street with no CCTV.
I meant, if I was upset by someone's posting on Twitter And so I researched a person and doxxed them, found their real name and address, before contacting the police, would that be "more evidence" and therefore more likely to be investigated than if I reported the same tweets but just as "this guy called gendercrew1987 is saying mean things on twitter, but I don't know who they are". I have just invented that name for illustrative purposes btw 😁.

i would challenge that you know anyone reporting those crimes without so much as a follow up call.
seriously.

thats like saying i know people who were MURDERED and police didnt even come out.
sorry i dont believe you. if anyone reports rape/robbery or being attacked i can say with 100% certainty the police would respond in some way shape or form to those complaints.

One thing that's noticeable in this thread is that even though PC Gul has been hassling people to enforce the gender identity ideology, there's been genuine sympathy for him. He's been put in that role by idiots higher up in the force who really ought to know better.

I can't imagine a long thread of TRA posts being anything like as sympathetic to someone they viewed as an "opponent".

what does "doxed" mean please?

im sure pc gul will be off sick by now.
or in a restricted role while he is investigated and thrown to the wolves.

no.
investigations are evidence based. if a crime has been reported a crime will be recorded.
if a suspect is identified they appropriate action will be taken.

some crime is not solvable.
we are not magic. we dont have crystal balls or ways of making people talk. we cant waterboard the local drug dealer to tell us who was most likely to attack cynthia on friday night.

to get a conviction there must be evidence to enable the police to get something to court (and often past CPS)

robbery and rape are CID territory and major crimes and i this is why i very much doubt the credibility of anyone saying no once followed that up.

doxxed: someone (a target) who is anonymous on the Internet has their real identity publicly announced as a result of:
hacking identity details for the target; or,
more likely, poring over crumbs of clues the target has inadvertently provided, combining it all together, and then searching on the resulting mosaic until the target has been identified.

I missed out the finally step:
where the identity of the target is revealed to cause them problems, so there is an element of malice too.

"im sure pc gul will be off sick by now.
or in a restricted role while he is investigated and thrown to the wolves".

I reckon you are right. If he has any sense he will be talking to his Federation rep. And a solicitor.

Harry won't let this go.

And PC Gul's superiors will switch to the "naïve cop oversteps his authority but we've disciplined him now" narrative in a heartbeat. Or Humberbeat.

i think pc gul will not have had a bloody clue what he was meant to do with that complaint and tried his best.

he is probably young and/or young in service.

im thinking how i would have dealt and how my colleagues would have dealt.
he has tried to clearly be a pc pc without even knowing what the fuck it was about - i mean saying a girls brain grows in a mans body or something - really bless him. the poor sod. i can only imagine what he is going through now tbh. my sympathies lie with him im afraid. he was trying to do the politically correct thing and that is why i suspect he may be new in service....
he probably wont have a job in a month or two so everyone can pat themselves on the back. he will either go off sick and leave or be sacked is my prediction.

"i mean saying a girls brain grows in a mans body or something - really bless him. the poor sod"

But that was exactly what he was told in his training for police officers.

"PC Mansoor Gul told Mr Miller: “I’ve been on a course and what you need to understand is that you can have a foetus with a female brain that grows male body parts and that’s what a transgender person is.”

"Confirming that he had spoken to Mr Miller for 20 minutes, PC Gul told the Telegraph he made the remark about the foetus because he had “learned it on a training course ran by a transgender person last summer”.

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/24/man-investigated-police-retweeting-transgender-limerick/]

Sorry, proper link.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/24/man-investigated-police-retweeting-transgender-limerick/

oh come on.

that in itself tells me he is VERY new in service. when i was in training they wheeled in some transgender bod to whinge at us for an hour.

he was trying to be politically correct just as society would like the police to be now right?

ryton why would anyone here pat themselves on the back about it? It's been said, over and over, that we don't want him made a scapegoat for what is clearly a bigger issue.

But he's not a naive teenager who got carried away on a work experience placement, he's a police officer who, due to the woeful training he's received and the culture of the police service right now, has acted in a hugely authoritarian way, and is currently being backed up by all the official machinery. That's not acceptable and I don't think any one should apologize for pointing it out.

its not what you learn in training. they will have grabbed the nearest trans person willing to talk to cops in an hours training session during his 15 weeks in initial training

ffs! im trying not to laugh but it is laughable.

my guess is he is probably about 23, no kids, no wife, no real life experience and trying to do right which he has just discovered your cant in this job because you actually cant do right for wrong!
first lesson learnt pc gul.
hope he is on sick pay.

He’s not new in service at all, but also not the brightest biscuit in the cop cookie jar. I know this for a fact. But it’s not him I’m after; it’s the ACC and his Commissioner.