Harry the owl visited by police

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This whole hate speech/incident law is completely out of control. This is sinister.
Check out @HarryTheOwl’s Tweet: twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1088144870991114241?s=09

Good grief, how unprofessional of a police commissioner.

Starting to think the TRAs are right about disbanding the police, except ID disband them for being useless muppets not fit for purpose rather than being [insert mad starwars fantasy monsters here]

Sargon of Akkad is on a par with Paul Elam though - absolutely hates women. He calls Dr Harrop a "Beta soy boy" - much as I cannot stand Harrop - this is highly offensive language to describe a gay man.

He only reluctantly comes down on the side of the "terfs" (sic) - "don't get me wrong" he merrily says, "the terfs are terrible people too"

I don't think we need him. We have glinner, Jonathan Best, James Dreyfus and a few other men (who don't hate women) on our side.

There isn't a side, there is no cohesive group called terfs, the whole Games of Thrones/xmen/ middle earth fantasy of some epic battle between two opposing sides exists only in the head of those spending way too much time soaked in online fantasy.

No to GRA and self ID and a belief that there is a lot wrong with most TRA ideology that needs unpicking doesn't put anyone anywhere on 'sides'. Vegans are not in an army against omnivores, the Conservatives are about as cohesive as a bunch of cats, and normal adults are capable of holding a whole lot of beliefs and tolerating other people having different ones without coming unglued.

Not personally to you Toe but people like old Em see the word 'side' and start saddling up their dragon.

Yeah, I do know what you mean knick - I was reflecting on Sargon of Akkad using the term himself - reluctantly "siding" with the terfs, yet not liking 'the terfs' (they're "terrible people too") because they're feminists.

Speaking of our new friend Em, I think everyone would do well to keep the divide and conquer plan in mind and avoid taking the bait even when it's dangled in a tempting way.

That Police Commissioner's twitter feed is a car crash at present. I think the funniest thing is that his bio says 'retweets don't indicate agreement'!

It's pretty simple really isn't it...

If they truly believe you get a woman's brain in a man's body then no one would need self id because they could just do a brain scan. Job done.

Why are the police arguing on Twitter about what constitutes a non crime. They can just provide medical.evidence right now and shut the whole thing down.

Far too many men have grown up with the unshakeable belief that women's brains are just fundamentally different to theirs, despite however many centuries of science trying and failing to prove it. "Women's brains can be in men's bodies sometimes" makes no sense but it's less threatening to their sense of self than "men's brains can also like feminine things."

I’m travelling at the moment, so not near my bookcase, but it’s worth going back to (my hero) John Stuart Mill and Harriet Taylor’s essay, The Subjection of Women, for an early humanist (as opposed to neurological) rejection of the idea of Male and female brains.

The whole essay is a model of clear and careful nuanced thinking about conditioning and socialisation.

I may have to start tweeting key sentences ....

If I was not concerned about how overworked/underfunded police are already, I would genuinely feel tempted start reporting every single tweet that upset me just to prove a point. Given anyone who says they are trans is trans, I could report it as transphobia really, using TRA definitions.

Surely as a GC person you're non-binary, non? I definitely meet the Stonewall definition. And no binary is under the trans umbrella so...

I agree re wasting police time but it's bloody tempting because right now they only see the complains one way.

I've just had a look at Humberside's twitter feed. This is not dying down and apparently they are actually blocking people! Is that allowed?

If the TRAs ever find me with their new police friends, I'm 100% going to say I'm non-binary and that I expect a grovelling apology post-haste. They can't prove it (either way!).

BBC covers it, tersely:
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-47005937

Harry, you've got a mention in the Sunday Times too

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/venezuelans-are-hungry-and-oppressed-and-comrade-jeremy-corbyn-wants-us-to-be-just-like-them-kdwxvwdlm?shareToken=dfedc131c20a9073123b0b94b7f924a8

Welcome to poets’ corner. Now, what rhymes with trans?

Well, at least the police in Humberside are getting to grips with serious crimes. Company chairman Harry Miller was interviewed by a constable for 34 minutes. His supposed offence was to have liked a limerick posted on Twitter about transgenderism. A “hate incident”! The copper apparently told him that he needed to “check his thinking” and that sometimes a man can be born with a lady’s brain. That’s a really bloody useful explanation, thank you, officer. I have seen the limerick and I have to tell you, the scansion is awful and the rhyme scheme not much better. So here’s mine:

Don’t think for yourself any more
Or the filth will be round at your door
The most harmless of rhymes
Are considered hate crimes
And you’ll cop the full weight of the law.

Hi Mums! Don’t know if you’ve seen, but The Mail on Sunday have published the story today. The final line in the article - a quote from PC Gul - is astonishing.

Ah, well that's much clearer. The tweets weren't criminal but they made someone sad - or might have made someone sad - so the police have to investigate.

But are curiously absent when other, more offensive tweets are reported. Hmmm.

Mr Gul told The Daily Telegraph: ‘Although none of the tweets were criminal, I said to Mr Miller that the limerick is the kind of thing that upsets the transgender community. I warned him that if it escalates, we will take further action.’

What on earth does that mean?

If Mr Miller does lots more stuff that's not criminal, we will up the ante?

'it's the kind of thing that upsets the trans community'

Actually, lots of people in the trans community are upset by other people in the trans community, but I suspect only the most aggressive and totalitarian side of the 'trans community' is getting any traction here

More and more people are seeing the TRA movement for what it really is. The government bodies supporting and encouraging it are looking more and more currupt because of it.

Perhaps PC Gul hasn't received the revised version of the Stonewall-authored Police Trans Toolkit? The original stated that not believing in gender identity is a hate crime.
Jonny Best wrote about it back in November:
medium.com/@JonnnyBest/believe-in-innate-gender-or-else-say-the-police-4237baf692da

"Upset the trans community"?

What if I'm upset?

That I can't actually be defined. That there can be no such thing as women's rights, because you can't define the cohort.

That an acceptable diversity exercise can end up with your headcount being 100% men.

I'm fucking upset.

Does anyone else feel like ringing them and saying they’re upset by things PC Gul is saying and we fear it will escalate?