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Guardian Journalist: "What's with Britain & its creepy, aggressive transphobia?"

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elle1111112 · 21/01/2019 13:53

twitter.com/tauriqmoosa/status/1087329595723051010

^Status from Guardian Journalist

Sorry but "Creepy"? CREEPY?! What an odd choice of words. I'd say it's more creepy to be desperate to access to womens spaces but that's just me.

Does he not realise that this is about womens safety? These people are so clueless.

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Floisme · 21/01/2019 13:56

That's a very unfortunate choice of word, particularly from someone who hopes to make a living from writing.

terryleather · 21/01/2019 14:00

These people are so clueless.

They really are, yet still they persist in farting out virtue signalling pish that they haven't spent more than two seconds thinking about in order to garner head pats and woke cookies.

Do better mate.

elle1111112 · 21/01/2019 14:01

Yeah I know. Here's the full Tweet encase anyone can't click the link:

"keep discovering British people i follow are transphobic but dress up their transphobia under "caring for kids" and "erasing the true nature of women". What is up with Britain and its creepy, aggressive transphobia??"

"It's weird to me how aggressively some respond to trans folks' existence: Instead of love, compassion &/or understanding, it's aggression, scrutiny, suspicion & obsession. We need more of the former, less of the latter. But bad actors don't see themselves as bad, only "concerned"

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wigglybeezer · 21/01/2019 14:02

That thread caused a major blood pressure rise! They are so off the mark!

AssassinatedBeauty · 21/01/2019 14:04

It is ignorance, lack of critical thought, lack of desire to understand other view points and a desire to be seen as "woke" or however you want to describe it.

PotteryGirl · 21/01/2019 14:06

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terryleather · 21/01/2019 14:08

But bad actors don't see themselves as bad, only "concerned"

Hilarious!

When you point the finger mate, four point back at you.

But then of course wokesters identify as being "in the right" so therefore it must be true.

FOTTFSOFATFOSM!

deepwatersolo · 21/01/2019 14:09

One thread comment also talks about the misogyny (!) of it and one points out the misogyny of Glinner. I kid you not.
Words have lost all meanings.

NoseringGirl · 21/01/2019 14:10

That thread was like going into an alternate universe. The UK is mostly upper class so that's why we're all transphobic? Is this the result of Americans learning about our culture through fictional TV shows? So bizarre.

StarsAndWater · 21/01/2019 14:12

Huh, and the replies!
So many people so very confused by why women are saying things they don't agree with.
And I'm sure they could understand but of course this is coming from women who are mums, 'middle-class', 'middle-aged', 'feminists' or whatever other sexist term that means they don't have to listen or taken women seriously and instead can just be 'confused' at how all them wimmens aren't happily nodding along with them.

Wrybread · 21/01/2019 14:13

I find it interesting that gender critical people tend to use logical arguments and evidence, whereas trans inclusive intersectional feminists often seem to shut things down by saying that their feminism includes men and/or they they've heard the arguments before and disagree with them....but don't say why.

I think I find it more creepy to do the do debate thing, then encourage people to think it all through and where it might lead

Wrybread · 21/01/2019 14:14

No debate thing.....sorry my autocorrect hates me BlushHmm

nauticant · 21/01/2019 14:14

I rather liked this one:

It’s tied to class. It was explained to me that most of these “advocates” are rich women who got their equality and don’t want to “give any of it up.” Because as we all know, justice is a pie that has to be carved

andyoldlabour · 21/01/2019 14:16

So, as a bloke who fully supports the feminist outlook on safeguarding women's spaces for human beings born female, Tauriq Moosa and his pals regard me as a mysoginist - ????????
Just looking through that Twitter feed tells me that they are a very mixed up bunch.

terryleather · 21/01/2019 14:17

It's like they find something that's topical, doesn't matter if they are utterly ignorant of the subject then they "assume the woke position" all over social media and all the rest of the bien pensant join in.

I honestly think they don't pay any actual attention to what is being discussed as long as they can perform right think loudly and viciously so everyone can see them do it.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 21/01/2019 14:18

This comment is lol

"What is weird is that they dont know or acknowledge the history of their country. Men have been gay and dressing like women for over a thousand years in Britain alone nevermibd the rest of Europe. Everyone needs to get over it already."

Has it occured to anyone that:

  • The fact that Enlgish men (probably more than British men?) are more than keen to "dress up like a woman" at the drop of a hat, the established existance of cross dressing (men to women) in this country as a sexual fetish is the EXACT reason women here are dubious? When people say OH a man would never "dress as a woman" unless he was a woman at heart, maybe not in other countries but english men are world renowned as being keen to don a dress and fake boobs at the drop of a hat...
  • The gay men who dressed up "as women" never said they WERE WOMEN did they. That's a hardly non trivial difference. It's kind of the whole point

I like all the stuff about how apparently people "in africa" didn't know what sex was in humans (male female dick cunt babies) before western colonialisation Grin

andyoldlabour · 21/01/2019 14:20

"I find it interesting that gender critical people tend to use logical arguments and evidence"

This is why TRA plus their supporters refuse to debate with gender critical folks, because we use "old magic" such as biology and several millenia of hard earned knowledge.
All they can ever put forward are "feels" and emotive statements backed up by easily refuted "statistics".

deepwatersolo · 21/01/2019 14:24

What is weird is that they dont know or acknowledge the history of their country. Men have been gay and dressing like women for over a thousand years in Britain alone nevermibd the rest of Europe. Everyone needs to get over it already.

And yet, the fact that since time immemorial human cultures across the globe have made a distinction btween men and women based on their reproductive biologies and nothing else is somehow irrelevant.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 21/01/2019 14:25

That's one very busy little echo chamber. To quote one very middle class radio broadcaster "Kiss my cheese, woke bros".

#woman=adulthumanfemale.

nauticant · 21/01/2019 14:29

As I've said before, I read stuff like that and think that if the progressives in the US don't get a grip they'll be getting Trump again in 2020.

hackmum · 21/01/2019 14:32

He seems to be a law student who freelances on the side rather than a bona fide Guardian journalist.

Just another idiotic wokebro dressing up his misogyny as progressiveness. Time to sing a different tune, love.

Ereshkigal · 21/01/2019 14:32

What's with foreign male Guardian writers and their relentless misogyny?

Slothslothsloth · 21/01/2019 14:33

I’m getting a sense a lot of the people in that thread still think trans women are exclusively gay men who’ve had bottom surgery. Many of the replies gave me that vibe.

waterlego · 21/01/2019 14:35

They just don’t engage with the actual arguments at all. Someone was saying this morning that Glinner is right wing. I disagreed and said that Glinner’s followers are overwhelmingly lefties. For the next hour, one lovely chap called me an idiot, a moron, mentally disabled, a deaf fuck, immoral, morally bankrupt, discriminatory, and repeatedly told me to fuck off and told me I hate trans people.

All this was based on my sharing my view that Glinner and his followers are not really what you would call right wing. He wouldn’t engage with any actual points, nor explain how he had come to the conclusion that my words and actions are damaging to trans people. Bafffling.

elle1111112 · 21/01/2019 14:35

What annoys me the most is that he's a journalist for a number of publications so he's not just some TRA on Twitter he's someone with actual influence.

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