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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rosamund Urwin Times, 'Jo or Joe? Surge in trans children changing names. Children as young as 10 are having their gender switched by deed poll'

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R0wantrees · 13/01/2019 01:51

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Children as young as 10 are having their gender switched by deed poll as record numbers of British youngsters identify as transgender.

The UK Deed Poll Service has seen a sharp rise in the number of parents paying £35 to alter their child’s title from “Miss to Master” or “Master to Miss” in the past five years, with about one under-16-year-old making the change every day.

These changes are commonly accompanied by the renouncing of the child’s birth name and the adoption of a new first name from the opposite sex.

“We used to issue a couple of these deed polls every couple of months — but now it’s seven to 10 a week,” said Louise Bowers, a senior deed poll officer. “The majority are teenagers — 14 or 15 — but they go down to the age of 10.”

Bowers said that while some children tweaked their first names — transitioning from “Joe to Jo”, for example — others took on an entirely new name, “such as going from Louise to David”. The first child under 16 to use the service to adopt the gender-neutral title “Mx” changed the prefix earlier this month." (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jo-or-joe-surge-in-trans-children-changing-names-5xftj66j6

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2rebecca · 13/01/2019 09:20

I think it's appalling that the Deed Poll is being misused in this way.
I suspect the trend will peak as public opinion turns and you get more regretful transitioners. Sad about all those girls identifying out of their sex because they believe female=feminine stereotype.
If the trend continues it will change the face of trans activism though as there will be more females pushing to get in to male spaces. It won't affect male sports and prisons though in the same way women are affected by males wanting access to our areas.

Horsewithnomane · 13/01/2019 09:36

These parents are all homophobic, yeah?

And this is their way of dealing with the "problem" of having a homosexual child?

I can't think why else this would be happening.

Katvonbatshitmermaid · 13/01/2019 09:42

It's good back up data for the rising trend.

Even trans kids themselves are noticing "transtrenders"

It would be fine, if the medical repercussions weren't so serious. Dress up how you want, call yourself what you want, just please don't multilate yourself..... argh

merrymouse · 13/01/2019 09:48

My child has a title?

I thought ‘Miss’ and ‘Master’ for children were only used as a joke or on wedding invitations and that adult ‘titles’ were just used as a courtesy. I didn’t know they were recorded somewhere!?

merrymouse · 13/01/2019 09:53

Why would you have to register that you want to be called ‘Mx’? In what context would this be relevant?

R0wantrees · 13/01/2019 10:09

There are many articles in the press celebrating parents who are affirming their child's 'change' of gender.

Many of the interviews reveal the adults uncritical acceptance of sex- based stereotypes, embrace of trans-ideology & sometimes homophobia.

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2019StandingforWomen · 13/01/2019 10:25

I don't think the parents are all homophobic. I am a lawyer who deals with some of these and some of the parents I've had have been lesbian or gay couples.

R0wantrees · 13/01/2019 10:33

I don't think the parents are all homophobic

Of course not all are.
Some seem to demonstrate homophobia and sexism.
Most that give interviews articulate a belief in sex-based stereotypes about what are girl / boy haircuts, girl/boy toys, girl/boy interests etc.

Transcript of Mermaids Charity training for teachers and the 'Jelly Baby theory of gender identity':
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454658-recording-of-mermaids-training?pg=10

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Katvonbatshitmermaid · 13/01/2019 10:33

I don't get the titles bit. I just called myself "Ms"

R0wantrees · 13/01/2019 10:45

I don't get the titles bit. I just called myself "Ms"

YY^^ I don't require people to use a title for me but should they wish to I use Ms.

Mx is part of the push for non-binary rights.

The gender-neutral Mx. is used as a title for those who do not identify as being of a particular gender, or for people who simply don't want to be identified by gender. 'Mx.' is a gender-neutral honorific for those who don't wish to be identified by gender.
Merriam-Webster

These would likely remove any possibility of sex-based legislation, policies, spaces etc.

A person with legal/policy status of Non-Binary can claim entitlement to be treated as neither sex or both sexes.

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merrymouse · 13/01/2019 10:47

How do you pronounce Mx?

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nauticant · 13/01/2019 11:20

Why would you have to register that you want to be called ‘Mx’? In what context would this be relevant?

That's easy, it's yet another aspect to incorporate into an identity to trip up the unwary. Anyone who gets this wrong can then be attacked which has two benefits: it validates identity and it moves the Mx person up a rung in the oppression hierarchy.

Tanya1950 · 13/01/2019 11:47

How dare you dismiss transgender as a trend. Shame on you for stamping all over their personal lives of which you know nothing about. Bigotted public opinion's like yours will fade as you depart this world and a new generation will show respect love and caring for all trans people. Read up about the social history of indigenous American's and south Pacific islanders to get a true understanding of the fluidity of gender that has been with us for thousands of years. Although I wouldn't bother as you obviously would not be able to read it objectively. I will repeat...... Shame on you and any other mum on this site who shares your illinformed view.

Purplewithgreenspots · 13/01/2019 11:49

I’m concerned because history shows us that when fascists take power and are looking for people to lock up / kill, they note everyone who is different.

Hitler had a list of how many Jews were in each European country, even the ones he hadn’t defeated yet.

Everyone who is changing the details for themselves or their children really does need to think about this.

Purplewithgreenspots · 13/01/2019 11:51

tanya1950 caring about people is stamping on them? Hmm

Tanya1950 · 13/01/2019 11:55

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OldCrone · 13/01/2019 11:59

Tanya
Do you understand the difference between gender and sex?

Yambabe · 13/01/2019 12:07

How dare you dismiss safeguarding for children as bigoted? Read up about feminism and you will see that feminists see gender as a social construct and don't care how people present. Although I wouldn't bother as you will continue to believe feminists hate trans people when nothing is further from the truth.

Thank goodness the current self-obsessed generation will eventually grow up and understand biology, and will show respect love and caring for their own children - if they haven't damaged their bodies too much to have any.

Shame on you and any other bigot who can't see that trans ideology is dangerous for children and the current surge in those wishing to transition very young needs to be studied and understood.

R0wantrees · 13/01/2019 12:13

Read up about the social history of indigenous American's and south Pacific islanders to get a true understanding of the fluidity of gender that has been with us for thousands of years. Although I wouldn't bother as you obviously would not be able to read it objectively. I will repeat...... Shame on you and any other mum on this site who shares your illinformed view.

It would be good if you and others would reciprocate this demand and listen to the words of Fay Blaney and her Auntie at the recent meeting in Vancouver:

Blaney challenged the myth of numerous “genders” in Indigenous cultures, wielded by trans activists in order to justify post-modern, academic theories about “gender identity,” and claim them as “non-Western” for identity politics points. Blaney said, “There are people who are talking about how Indigenous nations had five genders. That’s absolute B.S.”

The few trans activists who did attend limited their “protests” to giggling at concerns about fascism and cheering when Blaney — a long time Indigenous feminist activist committed to fighting male violence against women — shared that she had been pushed out of the annual Women’s Memorial March, which honours the lives of missing and murdered women lost in the Downtown Eastside.

www.feministcurrent.com/2019/01/11/vancouver-gender-identity-event-a-roaring-success-gidvpl/

Many women are well aware of the dynamics involved in attempts to shame:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

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terryleather · 13/01/2019 12:20

Oh here we go ..

A new poster with a ladies name + numbers = how very DARE you say anything I don't like about trans people blah blah blah something something two spirits something racists blah nazis something something right wing blah Trump supporting blah actual violence something something shame on you blah blah why can't you just be nicer!!!!

Bore off.

And by the way, appropriation of indigenous peoples and their culture to support western genderist bs is a fucking affront.

R0wantrees · 13/01/2019 12:29

A new poster with a ladies name + numbers

Its almost as if the use of a ladies name and a date is intended to suggests the mature insight of a wise woman

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terryleather · 13/01/2019 12:33

Maybe that's it R0, I've noted the phenomenon but had no explanation for why it's so common on here...

R0wantrees · 13/01/2019 12:38

terry
One never knows the reasons for poster's user names, unless they share, so it would be foolish to jump to conclusions.
I recognise 4 digit numbers 1900 - 2019 as years in the first instance. It may just be how my brain works! Smile

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CarolDanvers · 13/01/2019 12:41

Oh shut up Tanya Hmm