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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New gender gap index shows men most disadvantaged

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Imnobody4 · 08/01/2019 19:24

The backlash continues, I'm starting to get really scared now.

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Entitled “A Simplified Approach to Measuring National Gender Inequality,” authors Gijsbert Stoet from the U.K.’s University of Essex, and David C. Geary from the University of Missouri, contend that the GGGI is unreliable, because it is “biased to highlight women’s issues.” They argue that the GGGI does not measure men’s areas of disadvantage, such as compulsory military service, harsher punishments for the same crime, and workplace deaths — 95 per cent male.

By definition, they say, the GGGI “excludes the possibility that men can be less well off than women – this is because the GGGI focuses on women’s advancement.” As well, they contend that the GGGI uses indicators that are only relevant to elite women, and that the GGGI includes indicators more reflective of choice than of discrimination.

The researchers propose a truly gender-neutral set of metrics for calculating equality scores, named the Basic Index of Gender Inequality (BIGI). BIGI focuses on three factors: educational opportunities (literacy, years of primary and secondary education), healthy life expectancy (years expected to live in good health), and overall life satisfaction which, taken together, are the “minimum ingredients of a good life.”
Stoet and Geary calculated BIGI scores over five years (2012 through 2016) for 134 nations, representing 6.8 billion people. They relied on GGGI reports published by the World Economic Forum and the Gallup World Poll for data. To their surprise, they found that using the BIGI as a yardstick, men are on average disadvantaged in 91 countries, while women are disadvantaged in 43 countries, most of them economically under-developed. Sometimes the deviations from parity are quite small or even negligible, as for example in the case of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Turkey, China and Switzerland.

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ArfArfBarf · 08/01/2019 19:28

I saw this reported. Apparently men are disadvantaged over women in Saudi Arabia. I’d say that was the first clue that their new index was utter horseshit.

Floisme · 08/01/2019 19:29

Yeah if I recall correctly the report concluded that the best country in the world to be a woman was Bahrain.

NewYearsNiamh · 08/01/2019 20:04

Apparently men are disadvantaged over women in Saudi Arabia

Ha! Thanks though, saved me reading rubbish.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/01/2019 20:12

overall life satisfaction

Having not read the details ... how is that objectively measured?Confused who whinges most?

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 08/01/2019 20:19

Hahaha. They include military service as a negative, but is it men or women who tend to start conflicts? I could easily imagine that in Saudi Arabia the average man doesn't do that great. Probably because it's an authority regime where the ruling class subjugate everyone below them. What does the metric look like for the fairest societies such as Sweden I wonder?

FWRLurker · 08/01/2019 20:21

culture, with the expectations it imposes, is a strong determinant of what constitutes “satisfaction.” A Saudi wife in a polygynous marriage to a wealthy husband might find life quite satisfying, while a poor Saudi man with almost no marriage prospects at all may find life quite unsatisfying.

Gross.

I thought the Right wing was always accusing the Left of "extreme cultural relativism" Whelp, here we have it from the other side. Yep those ladies who are enslaved by rich Saudi men sure are happy! Their culture tells them it's OK that they can't leave he house alone so they don't mind! I'm sure they gave totally honest answers when asked in surveys about it!! I mean it's not like they couldn't just leave right? I mean who's ever heard of a woman fleeing Saudi Arabia for any reason?

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Also poor poor Saudi incel guys. I'm sure they are having a really terrible time not being sex and reproduction slaves. Poor things. :-(

Gronky · 08/01/2019 21:00

is it men or women who tend to start conflicts

Smile
New gender gap index shows men most disadvantaged
Vegilante · 08/01/2019 21:17

Clearly, the authors hired a woman to type out their paper, & being a silly woman she made a major typo in the title. Probably because when she typed it, she was confined to a menstrual hut that had no electricity, & was filled with smoke from a faulty heater like the ones that have killed several women in Nepali menstrual huts in recent years. Or maybe I've got that wrong. Maybe the typist these men used was in a cave in Afghanistan at the time, wearing one of those burkas with mesh covering the eyes that make it a tad difficult for women to see.

At any rate, this error-prone woman fucked up when she typed the title as

A simplified approach to measuring national gender inequality

What she meant to type was

A simpleton's approach to measuring national gender inequality

AssassinatedBeauty · 08/01/2019 21:28

What an idiotic response, Gronky.

Trinity1976 · 08/01/2019 21:31

Effectively they seem to have come to the conclusion that 'gender inequality' is not that big after all, by simply excluding the effect of issues which effect only women, or predominantly women.

Funny how that works, eh?

Gronky · 08/01/2019 21:40

What an idiotic response, Gronky.

Thank you, it was pitched at precisely the same level of the original assertion.

Floisme · 08/01/2019 21:44

Titania McGrath tweeted about it so I'd assumed it was a spoof, along with her book, 'Woke'.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/01/2019 22:05

Dh has just reminded me that men now have to text their wives to tell them they have divorced them in Saudi Arabia

THATS how disadvantaged men are in saudi

Poor fuckers...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/01/2019 22:07

Men tend to start wars

Im not sure how thats a fact to be argued

How many women have started wars and conflicts in the world?

Honestly interested

MoreNougatThanCougar · 08/01/2019 22:12

Er....

Margaret Thatcher (did she?)

Helen of Troy Grin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/01/2019 22:12

I just asked ds1 as a history student who tended to start wars

He seems to think im setting some sort of trap for him

13thWarriorWitch · 08/01/2019 22:13

Now, is this ALL men, or just the brave and stunning ones?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/01/2019 22:13

More

Thats who ds1 just said!!!!!!!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/01/2019 22:16

Oooh interesting

Apparently queens in Europe were 27% more likely to wage war than men

Apparently its not quite as clear cut as that...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/01/2019 22:17

That wot i just said...

NewYearBetterHealth · 08/01/2019 22:18

Boudicca? And how about that aethelflaed?

Gronky · 08/01/2019 22:22

When you're dealing with such small numbers (i.e. national leaders compared to the general population), it tends to skew the numbers. Technically, 50% of British female Prime Ministers have started a war, putting them well above average unless you pick some very oddly specific time scales. That doesn't mean that there's a 50:50 chance that the next British female Prime Minster will start a war.

Is starting wars a trait more commonly found in men, or is it simply a trait more commonly found in the sort of people who become world leaders? Is the set of traits that are necessary to become a world leader more commonly found in men? I personally don't think so but it's an interesting constellation of questions.

Gronky · 08/01/2019 22:23

Apparently queens in Europe were 27% more likely to wage war than men

That's a very interesting statistic, Rufusthebewilderedreindeer.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/01/2019 22:23

Boudica

The romans started that one didnt they?

NewYearBetterHealth · 08/01/2019 22:25

Yeah but she didn't just roll over and take it like the men though?