How to report paedophiles on Twitter?

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A bunch of people who claim to be "non offending" paedophiles have joined twitter recently. They're openly tweeting about being paedophiles. They call themselves MAPs (Minor Attracted Persons) or NOMAPS. Their bios contain info such as the age of children they're attracted to.

I've reported some of them using Twitter's link for reporting Child Sexual Exploitation but I'm not sure if that's the right place as there's no evidence of any child being involved, also I reported them 3 days ago but the accounts are still up and I haven't had anything more than a confirmation - and I don't have a lot faith in twitter at the moment tbh.

They're claiming they're not a threat because they control their urge to offend. But we've been here before haven't we - this is just like PIE.

What should we do? Who can we report this to? Would the police be interested? Are they breaking the law?

Should we mass report Twitter on this?

I've attached an example, to find the others use the hashtags MAP or NOMAP or search for "MAP community".

What's the best way to deal with this?

"Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that’s an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think."

Anyway enough on dawkins

Ah yes, Dawkins and his use of rape in his dick swinging arguments about 'logic'.

Jess Bradley should have been clobbered for that image.

The NUS should have reported it to the police.

See current thread re reports to Action For Trans Health regarding Jess Bradley's alleged inappropriate behaviour towards other members 'more than eight months ago" which pre-dates the separate allegations which led to the NUS suspension.
An Action for Trans Health central committee member acknowledges that their, "accountability process has been a mess since the beginning"
Jess Bradley was a founder and director of Action For Trans Health until Spring last year.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii?pg=39#prettyPhoto

I know its been linked previously but really important to consider reporting online Child Protection & Safeguarding concerns and evidence to agencies such as CEOP (UK) rather than just twitter.

A successful twitter report will likely only result in the tweet or account being taken down. This also removes any evidence unless it has been screen shot / archived

www.ceop.police.uk/safety-centre/

Slagging of victims of child sexual abuse for not having a "solution oriented approach" to their trauma is about as low as you can fucking go

Agreed! but what Cantor is doing here is worse than that. Survivors do have a solution-oriented approach and it's called safeguarding. Cantor is trying here to reframe safeguarding as vengeful and unreasonable.

Yes excellent point Tallulah

So I think Cantor's position is that people who have been abused as children who are extremely suspicious of open "virtuous" paedophiles are being vengeful?

What about non victims who also wouldn't leave their kids with a "virtuous" paedophile?

What a crock.

We've come full circle! Before starting this thread I tried to report the twitter MAPs to CEOPs but the reporting tool assumes you're reporting suspected grooming or abuse of a child and asks you questions about the child. And there isn't a number to call. So it seemed to me maybe that wasn't the right place to report?

Sorry I should have said, I agree 100% R0wantrees this network of people need to be reported so authorities are aware of them.

Survivors do have a solution-oriented approach and it's called safeguarding. Cantor is trying here to reframe safeguarding as vengeful and unreasonable.

This, this, this!

Risk management as revenge. I think not.

I think that the "authorities" tend to take an after the event approach.

There is not the resource nor the interest really in pursuing men who are dodgy as fuck but no evidence they've committed a crime.

We also know that even when men do commit crimes of a sexual nature against women and children it's incrediblt hard to get anything done.
One senior police officer said he thought they shouldn't bother with non contact child sex offences esp viewing images of child sexual abuse as it was so common. I mean WTF surely more of a reason to clamp down IMO.

Nothing: While I disagree with much of what Dawkins says, that misrepresents what he said about abuse. He simply said that psychological abuse could be worse sometimes than physical abuse, which seems unarguable to me.

Yesterday I came across a MAP account which didn't say it was NOMAP, so reported it as harmful and abusive. This morning I got a message from Twitter to say the account had been found to violate their rules. It's been suspended, but obviously I have no way of knowing whether this is temporary or permanent. Still worth doing whenever possible.

No - that was what he tweeted.

Afterwards he got a load of flack and put some additional "context" around his words

IIRC

If you are talking about the rape thing,

Or are you talking about teh child abuse thing?

CEOP are good. They will email you individually to get more info. I made a report about an account on Instagram and they contacted me for more info saying they thought a child abroadwas at risk

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/richard-dawkins-defends-mild-pedophilia-again-and-again/311230/

Some of his paedophilia quotes in here

twitter.com/FreyaMAP

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"pro-contact"

has his PGP key in his Twitter bio (what encrypted correspondence is he inviting, exactly?)

Retweeting a 14 year old who knows beyond any doubt that he is mature enough to consent to sex with adults, he just isn't sure about other 14 year olds.

Has produced some kind of starter guide for MAPs which I can't bear to look at.

Has retweeted opinion that children aren't harmed by sexual abuse.

I hope a troll, but does it even matter much?

I just looked at tweets using the #nomaps hashtag, & was struck by how some of these MAPs - or trolls pretending to be MAPs - have borrowed lingo & manipulation techniques used so effectively by TRAs. To wit:

Not allowing MAPs to have a community, leads to them being depressed, not having safe releases to their sexual desires, and children being harmed.

"You're a #pedophile. I don't trust you around kids." is the equivalent of saying "You're a straight male. I don't trust you around females."

Also, some are claiming that MAPs are not just a stigmatized sexual minority, they are "the most marginalized of all minorities." Ever.

Notably, there are NoMAPs who refuse contact / will block all MAPs and NoMAPs (!) who are pro-contact. So this pro-contact thing is an additional distinction to non-offending. Not sure what that means. Searching out contact with children, but doing nothing illegal?

Ok, I think it is not quite conclusive. Some (many) will use non offending (NOMAP) and no-contact interchangeably. Some (particularly self identified no contact and non offending NoMAPs) apparently make the distinction.

"Also, some are claiming that MAPs are not just a stigmatized sexual minority, they are "the most marginalized of all minorities"

Oh that reminded me.

Edward Lord's other half - a non binary person called dr meg-john barker did a reserach project / or has collaborated in the past with someone who described people who have "inter-generational attraction" as being the most oppressed sexuality.

dr meg john barker has also worked closely with the man who made the sex website for kids called, i forget what. she has contributed, not least with the incredible assertion that penises and clitorises are basically the same, the only difference being size, with most people lying somewhere in the middle :/

oh and i googled to get meg-john's name and one of the top hits was a thread on here, which was started because edward lord was tweeting praise for a PIE person...

edward lord is good mates with john bercow, who refused to allow urgent questions in parliament about the transwoman rapist who was put in a womens prison and sexually asssaulted other inmates.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3352843-First-there-was-Jess-Bradley-then-the-Challenors-now-Edward-Lord

Hi, not sure if this has already been posted, but there's a new Twitter account bringing together people concerned about these 'MAP' paedophiles on Twitter.

Paedophiles are a bit above twitter's pay grade, and the problem is rampant.

Report them to the authorities:

bluesphereobserver.com/what-to-do-if-you-find-pedophiles-predators-online/

Important update that suggests the outcry against MAPs is having some effect at Twitter HQ

These are tweets from the last 24 hours by D33 @D34_33, whose Twitter account was suspended & tweets all disappeared seconds after I copied & pasted them:
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Saying that children simultaneously can and cannot consent to sexual contact depending on the age of the partner is nonsensical. Sexual contact with adults has not been shown to cause trauma except in cases where force or coercion is present.

I've never claimed that consensual adult/minor contact is never harmful, merely that its not harmful in the vast majority of cases, and that the harm done in the minority of cases is caused by extrinsic factors like societal stigma and parental disapproval

Adults may have more power, but that does not necessarily mean that they will use it to manipulate the minor in to something they don't want. If the minor genuinely wants it, and engages in contact without manipulation or coercion, then it is unlikely to be harmful.

Apparently this guy was arguing that being a MAP should be counted as a recognized, legally-protected disability.

What next, MAP Story Time for Tots at the local library?

The Times are reporting this

Thx Rosamund Urwin and timetostepup