How to report paedophiles on Twitter?

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A bunch of people who claim to be "non offending" paedophiles have joined twitter recently. They're openly tweeting about being paedophiles. They call themselves MAPs (Minor Attracted Persons) or NOMAPS. Their bios contain info such as the age of children they're attracted to.

I've reported some of them using Twitter's link for reporting Child Sexual Exploitation but I'm not sure if that's the right place as there's no evidence of any child being involved, also I reported them 3 days ago but the accounts are still up and I haven't had anything more than a confirmation - and I don't have a lot faith in twitter at the moment tbh.

They're claiming they're not a threat because they control their urge to offend. But we've been here before haven't we - this is just like PIE.

What should we do? Who can we report this to? Would the police be interested? Are they breaking the law?

Should we mass report Twitter on this?

I've attached an example, to find the others use the hashtags MAP or NOMAP or search for "MAP community".

What's the best way to deal with this?

TweedAddict
What’s the furry reference mean, seen it about at bit and I can’t work it out

There is a fetish amoungst some paraphiliacs for dressing up in animal costumes, bears, cats etc who call themselves "furries". It may be limited to just that in some cases, but some can use this as a cover to "lure" children through the playful dressing up so they can be intimate with childen. One young boy was raped at a furry party not long ago.

Online, a "furry" fetishist says they enjoy watching say cartoon sex between animals and there's frequently an Anime link, think big-eyed, child faced, long pink hair, big boobs, cute pussy cat ears, when you look at "furry" cartoon porn it's often basically a metaphor for child abuse. (I haven't seen it, but read about it there was a Twitter Thread recently) crying, wailing baby type characters being held down and raped by the big daddy "cat" or "bear" or whatever.

It's really dark.

Many sex offenders in prison will often have more than one paraphilia, cross dressing or AGP is the number one most common paraphilia in sex offenders, it will often come with other paraphilias including for example pedophilia or zoophilia.

Our favourite furry AGP of the Lib-Dems (formerly Greens) with the tortured 10 year old in the attic, also has a fetish for dressing as an adult baby, eg.

Basically you'll frequently find cutesey child like cartoon characters with animal ears attached to the online profiles of some seriously dodgy people.

Ok, will use that. (Never considered this. In my mind porn has this ultra-vile connotation - possibly my Catholic upbringing ).

I have spoken to my local non-emergency police force about this and another social media group of paedophiles I stumbled upon when looking for support recovering from my own abuse.

They know about it and they are doing something about it, is the response I got. The other social media group I had concerns about they hadn't heard of but took all the info to do something with. They aren't just ignoring it afaik :)

The James Cantor Twitter thread is really disturbing. He's someone who's been followed by loads of GC people - and he's now saying that anyone who is calling out his view 'as a gay man' that the P should be added to the LGBTQ+ is basically aligning themselves with far right conservatives. Being called out by quite a few appalled gay men, which is good, but...he's so open about it and is doubling down on his view.

This really is scary. The "right to sex" rules at all costs, including paedophilia, regardless of who it hurts or whether it's consensual. WTF is going on that this is all being openly defended now?

One thing we can do is refuse to play along with the rebrand. Never call these worms maps or nomaps - call them paedophiles. They know the acronym makes them seem less harmful and makes their perversion seem more like a valid sexual orientation. Yes, it's important to know what the code means, but never play along.

As we've seen really clearly in recent years, words are important. We absolutely must not let paedos take control of the language surrounding paedophilia.

I've had another 12 hour ban after retTweeting JY's picture with the Twitter founder.

That is horrifying how can anyone be so open about it and their age of attraction?! They want to ‘normalise’ paedophilia? It is sooo wrong. What on earth is next? ‘non offending sexual assaulters’ or ‘non offending murders’

Lovely @JonnyBest is really going for Cantor on Twitter. Good on you, Jonny.

I've just rung my local police non-emergency number to express my concerns about the proliferation of MAPs on twitter and was told there is nothing they can do and to use the twitter complaints procedure. Explained I've done that to no avail and was told the only other thing I could do is take out a private prosecution against twitter

But Harrop can get the police to visit glinner because he tweeted a news interview of Harrop and Posie?

A pp has said not to report to Twitter but to use the links posted on this thread instead. If twitter acts on these reports then the accounts will vanish and become untraceable.

I think reporting them to the relevant crime agencies is more effective? I may reactivate my account just to hunt these accounts, troll or not - they need dealing with.

Hiding in full view, indeed. And they are getting bolder.

I won‘t deny that these accounts make me uncomfortable (though I will also say, a lot of stuff regarding Manga, furries, zoophiles... falls into place. The comorbidities are astounding). The platform Twitter is certainly problematic for its wide, indiscriminate reach and for the mere fact that it has interesting ideas of what should and should not be banned (stating that you are attracted to children and ‚love is love‘ is fair game while state that men are not women is not?).

That said, I think it is a mistake to make it hard to impossible for people who struggle with such attraction, to make it known, find competent help and get confirmation that they can handle this without becoming offenders.

If 1% to 5% of men have these attractions (some estimate 9%) this is pervasive, it could be our fathers, brothers, sons who struggle with this in silence, (hopefully) without ever acting on it. I‘d rather know and maybe help manage this.

I know a women whose now EX DH was convicted for having thousands of pictures on his computer (including violent abuse of babies). She never suspected anything, married for about 20 years.

Now, quite possibly, he would not have done anything differently, had there been support and non offending ‚role models‘, but at least the judge might not have been compelled to keep the sentence under 1 year so he could keep his super save Uni job, because ‚with that taboo, where could he turn‘, while he declared ‚I am so relieved this is out, now I can seek help‘.

Watching this has been quite a revelation for me.

Jenn Smith
@JennSmith64
People wonder why I'm so opposed to James Cantor,who is being used by the JCCF &other people on our side as an "expert"&"hero" of children.Cantor is a scumbag&if we platform him as a"hero of children"to serve immediate needs,u will severely regret it later. Same with Oren Amitay

mobile.twitter.com/JennSmith64/status/1081036081926008832

Additional info: the 10 or 11 months sentence was fully suspended. The judge was female.

Jesus, managing one‘s paedophilia should obviously include not working in roles as carers... for children.

A kid has a way harder time conceptializing and verbalizing what happened to them, so obviously way stronger safeguarding is needed than for adults. Nah, this Cantor guy clearly has no agenda whatsoever.

Many sex offenders in prison will often have more than one paraphilia, cross dressing or AGP is the number one most common paraphilia in sex offenders, it will often come with other paraphilias including for example pedophilia or zoophilia.

See: fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/153.full_.pdf

Multiple Paraphilic Diagnoses among Sex Offenders

Only 10.4 percent of these "average paraphiliacs" had one diagnosis, 19.9 percent had two diagnoses, 20.6 percent had three diagnoses, and 11.5 percent had four diagnoses. The remaining 37.6 percent were concomitantly or nonconcomitantly involved in five to ten different paraphilic behaviors

Of the convicted sex offenders in this study, only 10% had just the one paraphilia.

I think it is one thing for sexologists such as Cantor to include and categorise all sexual behaviours under whatever alphabet they choose. It is quite another for a sexologist such as Cantor to suggest that alphabet should be utilised by lobby groups campaigning for changes in public policy. He should clarify or row back.

People who 'struggle' with the urge to rape children should experience deep, crippling shame. It should never be acceptable to publicly admit to this unless your legitimate goal is to make yourself a social pariah in order to minimise the chances that you will cause direct harm to a child. I would support that - if a paedophile was genuinely desperate to prevent themselves hurting anybody else, they can get a big face tattoo so that everyone knows they are never to be trusted around children.

But a paedophile looking for pity and acceptance is not OK. It's not a sexual orientation, it's fantasies of child rape. If it is possible through therapy to fully remove these fantasies and turn a paedophile into a normal person who is sickened by the idea of child rape, then brilliant (I'm not sure if this is possible?). If by 'getting help' they mean continuing to fantasise about child rape but controlling themselves just enough that they don't actually rape a child or view images of someone else raping a child, this is not enough. It's quite clear that these Twitter accounts are all advocating that it's fine for paedophiles to continue to nurture and indulge in child rape fantasies and that they have no desire whatsoever to cure themselves of this harmful perversion.

To be clear, I think everybody experiences intrusive thoughts about doing horrible things every now and then. This is a normal human experience and if your reaction is to internally shudder and push the thought away, you're pretty much fine I'd say. Consciously indulging in fantasies of violence is quite another matter.

MagicMix the fact of the matter is that according to reports on the matter those paedophiles who seek therapy will usually find therapies that include stuff like managing the problem by using drawings as an outlet. This implies that the therapy on offer includes ‚indulging in those fantasies‘. Now I have great sympathies for wanting to ban even such thoughts, but assuming therapists know what they are doing, trying to make paedos ban and combat any such thoughts does not seem to be a winning strategy.

"Those accounts were taking an aggressive approach, on behalf of adult child sexual relations...

They are, by all accounts, good people...but their explicitly expressed viewpoints are to politically incorrect for Twitter, it's delicate sensibilities and overbearing intolerance."

On poster on twitter talking about how his MAP mates had got banned.

Christ.

This is nothing to do with support and everything to do with normalising / eliciting sympathy etc and piggybacking on the gains of the LGB movement > PIE are back IMO.

See also, the articles on "virtuous paedophiles" in the press last year -there's nothing "virtuous" about not raping kids FFS

from my understanding openly being a pedophile per se isn't against the rules of twitter (so twitter or the police can't do anything if a man simply announces "Hi I'm a pedo"), it only becomes an offence if they are unable to control their urges and make any attempt to have unlawful contact with the underaged (grooming etc)

This is problematic again in the same way that women have been sating about our spaces.

There is a big range of behaviour that men can and do carry out that is not illegal but is definitely off.

eg that person everyone keeps posting about, asking a girl in the toilets if she uses tampons, there's no law against talking to poeple in the toilet
As with this on twitter, there's no law against these men offering to help kids with homework etc

This is the large area that women have been trying to police forever (keeping the kids away from the creepy man but without being able to say outloud oh he's creepy as he hasn't theoretically done anything wrong).
This is the piece that is being undermined hard right now.

This is the stuff that women whisper to each other in the pub >
Don't go home with them
Come back I saw X watching you, you need a cab
That bloke looks too long at the young girls
etc

This is what they are trying to prevent by making it
Intolerant and bigoted to say, even in a whisper
Plus by infiltrating spaces where women have passed these messages to each other

traceyracer I agree stating that this is one‘s condition will hardly be actionable. Question is, what is with accounts who advocate for lowering age of consent, or say the true trauma happens by society‘s reaction (you‘ll hear that Pomo argument repeatedly), or drone on about the beauty of the h&m kid swimwear catalogue and such? Not sure if any of those accounts do that. But what is the limit?